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Thoughts On Lamar Jackson?

Jackson doesn't seem like a QB that Gase would be interested in. Gase wants a cerebral pocket passing QB, someone that Gase can control with X's and O'x and a systematic decision matrix built into the offense. Lamar Jackson is not this type of QB. Jackson has a lot of potential, but when drafting a QB, a coach has to have a plan on how they will integrate the new QB into the offense. I just don't see how Jackosn would fit into Gase's offense, even as a backup.

I agree with you he doesn't seem to be a fit for Gase's system. It will be interesting if Gase wants players for his scheme or if he builds his scheme around his players. With that said, if Goodell announces Lamar Jackson as our draft pick i will never doubt the power of smokescreens again.
 
Not close to true. The same issues you mention are true for the "all-American" boys Rosen and Baker. You can't possibly think Rosen with all his so called ability is that far ahead of Lamar considering most scouts question his athleticism and accuracy AND durability. Lamar doesn't fit the "prototype" but I'm in the camp that thinks he can do what Watson did under the right tutelage. Not at 11 but in the 20's...absolutely.

No one has questioned Rosen’s accuracy. And yes, from a mental aspect Rosen is well ahead of Jackson. Some have even called him a prodigy simply because the mental aspects of the game come so easy for him.
 
Not close to true. The same issues you mention are true for the "all-American" boys Rosen and Baker. You can't possibly think Rosen with all his so called ability is that far ahead of Lamar considering most scouts question his athleticism and accuracy AND durability. Lamar doesn't fit the "prototype" but I'm in the camp that thinks he can do what Watson did under the right tutelage. Not at 11 but in the 20's...absolutely.

I'd draft Watson #1 overall in this draft. If he's anything close to Watson then he's certainly worth strong consideration at #11.

I'd also target Jackson in a trade down scenario along with guys like LVE, Evans, Hernandez, etc. However, I wouldn't be upset with us drafting him anywhere. I think the potential is unreal. Isn't that what people have fallen in love with Josh Allen? Yet he's a potential top 5 pick. I don't get it. They are both projects with tremendous potential.
 
Well....most say they are similar

Perhaps you're biased as well because scouts are saying the same things about Rosen and Baker. It could be overexposure or whatever you deem it but it's being said. Your opinion is what you perceive and mine is too and I do think Jackson can be every bit the QB the others are perceived to be.
Actually all of the scouts are saying that Baker Mayfield is highly accurate. And, if you bothered to look, they are saying that Rosen is accurate as well. Make up what you want, but most scouts are very clear in their consensus that Mayfield and Rosen are accurate and Lamar Jackson is not accurate. If you honestly watched the games ... you'd know this.
 
And yet he still gets it done. As one who is probably slower than most mentally, I resent comments like this. Not everybody is blessed with amazing mental processing power. I know I struggle. However, I can over come most things through hard work and dedication. It just takes me longer to get there than others. In this case, I don't see why Jackson couldn't do it either.

I hope Jackson is there in round 2 and we take him. I would love it if he was able to prove people wrong.


Talking about at 11, not round 2, which I would have less of a problem with. As far as drafting dumb players, that's part of being a professional. I'll take the guy, especially at qb, that has it between the ears as opposed to being slightly more talented.

Kirk Cousins or RG3?
 
Different era, different, less complicated playbook - especially Gase's......and before the perceived need to tutor for better scores because it helps. Did anyone even advise Jackson to get tutored... and if not, isn't that another red flag? Marino? Who knows? Maybe the reason Dan fell to us was the same reason his test scores suffered. And did we have an inkling of his actual football IQ as reflected on the whiteboard? (Incidentally Mayfield was the only QB who was described as "knocking it out of the park.")

Out of all the college QBs that the league ever wanted to have tested, these are the handful who registered Jackson's score or lower. Through the perspective of 20/20 hindsight, how many among them would you have wanted under center?

Oscar Davenport 6, Vince Young 6, Terelle Pryor 6, Vince Evans 8, Chris Leak 8, Jeff George 10, Tee Martin 11, Eli Robertson 11, Marcus Smith 11, Tobi Karrode 12, Ted White 12, Neil O'Donnell 13, Brad Banks 13, Brock Berlin 13, Rasheed Marshall 13,

Again, too many red flags to take him at 11 or even anywhere in the first round when there will be some slam dunks available to us. If we can get finagle a 3rd pick later on in the 2nd round, or as a 3rd rounder although it's unlikely he'll be there at that point, I'm fine with the relative "cost" of betting on a rare anomaly.


The wodnerlic is a stupid measure for football IQ but the dude is football dumb too. I could give two shits less if a guy can solve random math puzzles.
 
Another thing on Jackson, he was timed with among the lowest velocities throwing the ball. I think lower than the likes of Falk even

Not sure how much that shows up in game but it’s something to consider
 
Actually all of the scouts are saying that Baker Mayfield is highly accurate. And, if you bothered to look, they are saying that Rosen is accurate as well. Make up what you want, but most scouts are very clear in their consensus that Mayfield and Rosen are accurate and Lamar Jackson is not accurate. If you honestly watched the games ... you'd know this.
You're funny. I'm pretty sure I've watched as much as you. To each his own but I think Jackson is much better than you give him credit for.
 
I am not a scout but I would like to argue some of the points I hear about him (not a fan btw) and welcome differing opinions.

Ran a pro style offense in college and made multiple reads....

Boddy Patrino besides his misgivings as a human has never put a good let alone great QB prospect into the league and his offense has always put up good numbers. Personally never saw Lamar make more than one maybe 2 reads it was normally that the guy they told him to throw to wasn't open so he would tuck and run. You may be able to argue Bridgewater but let's be honest he was a mid second-round Prospect which in my opinion makes him okay

He is the best athlete at QB since Vick...

Yeah well Vick played when a fast defneder was a 4.8 so his 4.2-4.3 was lightning and he made people look foolish. Now you get the Clowney and Miller's who run 4.45 as defensive ends. So speed is a very small factor in QB play. Elusiveness and awareness in the pocket is much more useful and I'm not sure what he has with that.

He has a huge arm and easy action...

And poor footwork and bad habits. When the bullets are flying you always revert to your comfort zone and that makes me think he is a pretty significant project

Wonderlic doesn't prove anything, he is smart on the field....

Agreed the wonderlic doesn't prove much of anything, but personally I judge a player on their decision making as a whole. Hiring his mom as his representative, not taking calls having a meh pro day. Look if in the most comfortable setting possible and can create the best atmosphere for success and you are still meh then you may just not have the most to offer. So decisions as a whole I'd give it a 5/10.

He is a gamer he just goes out and balls..

Well that's fine when you are playing against a bunch of kids who won't go pro and when he did face good COLLEGE defenses he cracked. His athleticism gap is much much smaller and now goes up against grown ass men who spend weeks gameplanning for him. GOOD LUCK KID


He will be over drafted as QBs always are. And I wish him luck but I believe you have to create and offense around him so he is a 3-5 year plan. And TBH the Dolphins don't have 3-5 years to hope it works out.
 
Drew Rosenhaus predicted the Dolphins will take Jackson at 11. Not that it matters.
 
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