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phintim said:
Wow kinda got blasted there guys but thats OK. Forgive me if I like the Bill Parcels saying if they don't bite as pups they don't bite as dogs etc. RT was once a wide reciever at Texas AM but wanted to play QB. Why did he play wide reciever because he wanted to both play football and the coach at Texas AM had him buried on the depth chart at QB. That coach just did not see the talent. I also believe Texas AM had better records both prior and afterwards RT departure at QB. Now lets let's around this phins oline issue for a minute and how bad it's been. Lets see we had Pouncy, Albert, Tunsil and James on it all at one time. Guess what they have in common all 1st rounders. So not buying the talent sucked on the line. Sure you can blame coaching but interesting enough Philben, Sporano all were oline coaches prior to our head coaches. Lets bring up a little history of the phins here into this discussion, ole Danny boy had the highest rated oline during his tenure most of that line were cast off of other teams or low round draft picks. Point here e Danny boys quick release and pocket presense imo was is much much better than RTs. So all this lying some of you called me out for is BS. Wins and loses along with stats are the facts at the end of the day. If I want opinions on how talented RT is it was on this site on a player out of college I am probably going to check it out with Slimm who is not wearing aqua colored glasses. I believe one of his later opinions on RT is that RT has exceeded his expectations since we drafted him and I agree. RT has worked and improved which is great but what I believe what Slimm is staying and I agree RT ceiling was not so high as we would like to believe coming out of college. Standing by my post gents if RT stays healthy and doesn't get it done behind this oline this year tbe onus is on him.
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Boo this man!
 
phintim said:
Wow kinda got blasted there guys but thats OK. Forgive me if I like the Bill Parcels saying if they don't bite as pups they don't bite as dogs etc. RT was once a wide reciever at Texas AM but wanted to play QB. Why did he play wide reciever because he wanted to both play football and the coach at Texas AM had him buried on the depth chart at QB. That coach just did not see the talent. I also believe Texas AM had better records both prior and afterwards RT departure at QB. Now lets let's around this phins oline issue for a minute and how bad it's been. Lets see we had Pouncy, Albert, Tunsil and James on it all at one time. Guess what they have in common all 1st rounders. So not buying the talent sucked on the line. Sure you can blame coaching but interesting enough Philben, Sporano all were oline coaches prior to our head coaches. Lets bring up a little history of the phins here into this discussion, ole Danny boy had the highest rated oline during his tenure most of that line were cast off of other teams or low round draft picks. Point here e Danny boys quick release and pocket presense imo was is much much better than RTs. So all this lying some of you called me out for is BS. Wins and loses along with stats are the facts at the end of the day. If I want opinions on how talented RT is it was on this site on a player out of college I am probably going to check it out with Slimm who is not wearing aqua colored glasses. I believe one of his later opinions on RT is that RT has exceeded his expectations since we drafted him and I agree. RT has worked and improved which is great but what I believe what Slimm is staying and I agree RT ceiling was not so high as we would like to believe coming out of college. Standing by my post gents if RT stays healthy and doesn't get it done behind this oline this year tbe onus is on him.
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First off: the paragraph key is your friend!!

Most of your assertions have already been debunked. Suffice it to say that if you spoke w/o knowing Tannehill's actual senior year record and were too lazy to research that Tannehill was a 3Star QB recruit and waiting his turn not only played receiver, but played it very well, how much credibility can you really expect to receive? How many QBs do you know who actually understand route running and passing defenses from lining up as a wideout? That's an invaluable understanding.

Yeah there were a few first round OLinemen supporting Tannehill but still why did the unit get rated low 20s instead of Top 10. JaMarcus Russell, Gholston, Jordan, Sanchez, Leinart, for example were also top 10 draftees and look how that worked out!

No question everyone respects Slimm and his informed opinions. However that does not mean they are infallible. The Shanahans who know a thing or 2 about QBs also, wanted Tannehill as the #4 pick until their owner intervened and traded away the store for RG3. KC is alleged to have taken him at 12 if we passed. Would you follow Slimm Jr on faith if he jumped off the Empire State Bldg???

And our HCs who were OL coaches at one time? Philbin ended up the OL coach for Indy - 2 defacto demotion levels down and how did that one work out for Luck? Sparano has been demoted to TE coach at one time. \

You are certainly entitled to be skeptical of Tannehill but you are not entitled to foist a false il-informed narrative in making your case.
 
Been kinda up and down with him. I just hope he can put it together with one of the best OL he has played behind since starting in the NFL, or we will all be damned him included.
 
Vaark said:
First off: the paragraph key is your friend!!

Most of your assertions have already been debunked. Suffice it to say that if you spoke w/o knowing Tannehill's actual senior year record and were too lazy to research that Tannehill was a 3Star QB recruit and waiting his turn not only played receiver, but played it very well, how much credibility can you really expect to receive? How many QBs do you know who actually understand route running and passing defenses from lining up as a wideout? That's an invaluable understanding.

Yeah there were a few first round OLinemen supporting Tannehill but still why did the unit get rated low 20s instead of Top 10. JaMarcus Russell, Gholston, Jordan, Sanchez, Leinart, for example were also top 10 draftees and look how that worked out!

No question everyone respects Slimm and his informed opinions. However that does not mean they are infallible. The Shanahans who know a thing or 2 about QBs also, wanted Tannehill as the #4 pick until their owner intervened and traded away the store for RG3. KC is alleged to have taken him at 12 if we passed. Would you follow Slimm Jr on faith if he jumped off the Empire State Bldg???

And our HCs who were OL coaches at one time? Philbin ended up the OL coach for Indy - 2 defacto demotion levels down and how did that one work out for Luck? Sparano has been demoted to TE coach at one time. \

You are certainly entitled to be skeptical of Tannehill but you are not entitled to foist a false il-informed narrative in making your case.
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You are right. That guy was foisted on his own petard.
 
Guys while repecting many of you as posters and I apologize for my written English not being correct enough for some of you, I am still going to stick by what I mentioned earlier.
In that original post I mentioned I believe that Texas AM had better records prior and after RT was QB.
So since his college stats are what is so much in debate in this discussion that I posted on lets review those.
RT college Texas AM stats
2007 redshirt year
2008 3rd string QB behind Johnston and McGee and listed as WR.
2009 2nd string QB behind Johnston still listed as WR on roster
2010 2nd string QB behind Johnston and was WR until 7 th game of season.
2011 QB
Records stats Texas AM
2007 7 6
2008 4 8
2009 6 7
2010 9 4
2011 7 6
2012 11 2

Ryan T was not listed as starting QB at Texas AM until 2011. Your points and facts that he contributed to the wins of 2010 season are well stated and your correct I certainty did not know specifically how much he contributed. RT did not even play QB until game 7 of that season.
Now factually I believe based on the stats, records of RT college career on the RT website I could debate you until the cows come home that I was correct on my original post that Texas AM records were both better before and after RT was the starting QB there.
But I am not going to do that but I am going to add a little fuel to the fire. I am still not impressed with a college career that starts with a redshirt year on a 7 6 team, 3rd team QB on a 4 8 squad in 2008, full time WR 2009 on a 6 7 squad, and finally a part time starter on 2010 squad.
I admire RTs determination to follow his dreams in college but it's not screaming at me that he had a great QB college career.
Sorry fellas your posts about what I didn't know about his contributions at QB in 2010 might be correct but other than that when you look at the entire picture of RTs career both in college and the NFL it's not all rosey and give you warm and fuzzy feelings.
My opinion of RT is that he can be a Joe Flacco for us which is good but not ultimate.
As far as calling me a troll thats BS. You can look at my past posts and yes its it's not aqua colored glasses which it shouldn't be imo.
RT and Gase have a lot to prove this season because their failures have been based on personnel excuses. Philbens team and that awful oline have left the building so now it's up to those guys to step up.
By the way CK or others I have some draft guides from Lindys going back to the 80s hanging around plus some VCR tapes going back then with the Chicago game when they were undefeated if interested. No charge just shipping.
 
Vaark said:
Aside from the very elusive Russell Wilson, I challenge you to find another team with an OL ranked last or next to last in the entire ****ing league that has succeeded and made the playoffs in recent history! The sad fact is that until his last season, as Tannehill was naturally improving, his protection was getting worse than just "bad".

Even compare that to 2016 behind a very mediocre low 20s ranked OL, where Tannehill lead them to an 8-5 record, with a 7-1 run putting up a number of top 10 metrics including elite long ball accuracy and QBR from the rare clean pocket.

The difference between "Explanations" and "Excuses" parallels the difference between logic and emotion.
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Just ask Andrew Luck. No coincidence that the common denominator between both he and Tannehill getting killed so often is Joe Philbin.
 
Fintastic17 said:
Continues as in what? I think the last time he played for us he was on a 7-1 streak and leading us to the playoffs before he got injured because of the wonderful OLine you so kindly mentioned.
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And Jay Ajayi ran for 3 200 yard games tying NFL records. Many QBs look good under that supporting cast.
Honestly I was very hopeful after that season that year as a very long time Dolphin since before Dan Marino.
But the question I had after that season was it a little luck and Jay A who carried that team team to sucess or Gase and RT. I was hoping for the latter not the former to be true.
After last year still not convinced Jay and luck was not the major contributors.
This year is pivitol to determine that.
 
phintim said:
And Jay Ajayi ran for 3 200 yard games tying NFL records. Many QBs look good under that supporting cast.
Honestly I was very hopeful after that season that year as a very long time Dolphin since before Dan Marino.
But the question I had after that season was it a little luck and Jay A who carried that team team to sucess or Gase and RT. I was hoping for the latter not the former to be true.
After last year still not convinced Jay and luck was not the major contributors.
This year is pivitol to determine that.
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Dude don't just depend on your espn app for your information.

Dig a bit deeper into our win streak, beyond those 2 stellar games that Ajayi had and I guarantee you'll be surprised.
 
LoneStarPhin said:
Thanks for your lies, phintim. now the truth:

RT took over starting QB middle of his Jr. year, finishing 5-1. wins included #11 Oklahoma and #9 Nebraska and Texas on the road.

His Sr. year he was 7-6, including a bowl win over Northwestern. 5 OF THOSE 6 LOSSES WERE BY A TOTAL OF 8 POINTS - an average of 1.5pts per loss. (2 were in OT)

The 6th loss was by 16pts on road at #7 Oklahoma.

The losses were largely due to defensive collapses (see Endnote). RT was very good- Aggies were pleased with him but frustrated with Sherman's conservativeness and the D inability to hold leads that the O gave them.

I swear, it's a 24/7 job here cleaning up after posters who have to resort to nontruths or half truths to support their positions.

ENDNOTE. RT's senior yr losses include:

- D blowing a 20-3 halftime lead and allowing 27 straight points while Sherman started running out the clock by running- a common theme in 2011 that led to his firing.

- blew an 18pt halftime lead vs Arkansas.

-blew a 10pt lead w 6 mins left vs KState.

-blew 11 pt halftime lead vs Mizzou.

-blew a 9 pt halftime lead vs Texas, then when RT rallied for go ahead TD w 1:40 left,
gave up a last second FG.

Brutal Season!!!
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His stint post Tech was impressive and was said many times, surprising. No one had tape on him.

But the difference between the 2 seasons was the loss of Von Miller. Tannehill work during his senior season was a mixed bag of solid offensive talent and a defense that took a slide.

Either way, it was in the BIG12 where we are told the defenses lay down and play possum.
 
royalshank said:
Just ask Andrew Luck. No coincidence that the common denominator between both he and Tannehill getting killed so often is Joe Philbin.
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Thats pretty terrible stat, how bad were Philbin olines ranked at GB before joining the phins? He has been hired back by GB again, right you know the position?
 
Fintastic17 said:
Dude don't just depend on your espn app for your information.

Dig a bit deeper into our win streak, beyond those 2 stellar games that Ajayi had and I guarantee you'll be surprised.
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I watched every game and don't claim to e some expert but coupled with watching the phins a long time we had some lucky extra bounces IMO on some of those wins. RT looked lost thru game 4 imo again and then Parkey gave us that last minute win in game 5 against those winless Browns.
 
Russ57 said:
Let me be clear, I’m a Tannehill supporter.

That said I do see some of the detractors points. He doesn’t seem to rise to the occasion and make his best throws when they are needed the most. He isn’t great at pocket awareness.

There are very few great QB’s anymore. Brady and Rodgers I’ll give you. I consider Bress, Rivers, and Big Ben close but no cigar. Bottom line is it is very hard to get a great QB.

Heck with Dan you almost preferred to be down by 4 with 3 minutes left in the game. You just knew he was going to score and only hoped the defense could hold out. Tannehill has a long ways to go in that regards. Frankly I doubt he gets there. Two minute offense doesn’t seem to be a strength.

Still he is good enough to win with just like Flacco was good enough for the Ravens.
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Now this is the kind of post i can respect. Arguable reasons for why RT may not be all that. I think all opnions are fine as long as they are grounded in fact, have some reasonable basis, and dont overly tilt to one side in the face of controverting evidence.

these are parts of RT game we all would like to see improve, I would think.
 
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