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Has plenty to do with it. Once that internal clock goes off in a QBs head they must react to it. I’ve seen it plenty of times where Tannehill just stands there and takes the hit when he should have a feel for the rush and escape the pocket. This is not just one game like last week when Turnstile Young was in it’s happened a lot in his career here.

Sorry, no. A whiffed block has nothing to do with the QB.
 
There was 3 previous quarters that we had with Tunsil healthy and in the game, and we only mustered up 10 points and a hapless offensive performance. Let's save the excuses. Tannehill was dreadful with Tunsil in there, and completely unraveled without him.

They were winning 17-0. Save the rationalizations.
 
Sorry, no. A whiffed block has nothing to do with the QB.
Really? So if he can’t react to that kind of break down it’s everyone else’s fault except the QB? Come on man, you have to admit his record as a starter leaves much to be desired.
RTs record as a Miami starter
2012. 7-9
2013. 8-8
2014. 8-8
2015. 6-10
2016. 8-5
2017. DNP
2018. 3-2
40 wins-42 losses
I know you’re a diehard Tannehill fan and I’m not going to fault you for that but you have to put some of the blame on Him, not just “whiffed blocks” by an o line.

You should seriously change your name to “TannehillFanInBuffalo”
 
Really? So if he can’t react to that kind of break down it’s everyone else’s fault except the QB? Come on man, you have to admit his record as a starter leaves much to be desired.
RTs record as a Miami starter
2012. 7-9
2013. 8-8
2014. 8-8
2015. 6-10
2016. 8-5
2017. DNP
2018. 3-2
40 wins-42 losses
I know you’re a diehard Tannehill fan and I’m not going to fault you for that but you have to put some of the blame on Him, not just “whiffed blocks” by an o line.

This topic has been covered in depth. Look up past threads if you are interested.
 
Do you think 10 points in 3 quarters is good offensive production? Do you think that's going to win many games on the road?

I'll hang up and listen

It was going to be enough to win that game. It is a team game sometimes other parts of the offense need to step up. We got no help from the running game against the Raiders and they still won. Is 14 carries for 41 yards going to win you a lot of games? No. Do you sometimes need to win that way? Yes.

Sadly, you won't listen....
 
Regarding yesterday on passing downs maybe we also had improved pocket awareness? Sure seemed pretty obvious to me.

Agreed. He could teach RT a thing or two about it, So definitely a combination of the two.
 
Really? So if he can’t react to that kind of break down it’s everyone else’s fault except the QB? Come on man, you have to admit his record as a starter leaves much to be desired.
RTs record as a Miami starter
2012. 7-9
2013. 8-8
2014. 8-8
2015. 6-10
2016. 8-5
2017. DNP
2018. 3-2
40 wins-42 losses
I know you’re a diehard Tannehill fan and I’m not going to fault you for that but you have to put some of the blame on Him, not just “whiffed blocks” by an o line.

You should seriously change your name to “TannehillFanInBuffalo”

Why can't people just have different opinions than others? You think RT is the biggest issue, others think the OL is the biggest issue. Great. We get it.

But can we leave the RT debate in the dedicated threads? There's no reason to plague every thread with it.
 
100% agree. Hard to pinpoint it but I will say that I think Swanson is playing better than Killgore. I'd love to see a comparison of their grades.

Tunsil is going to the pro bowl this year.


Glad you posted this. I wasn't following him on twitter and he does some good breakdowns.
 
Just posted this in another thread. Seems apropos for this one...

My view is the OL can be a QB's best friend and a QB can be an OL's best friend.

One thing that isn't a controversy is that Tannehill is the OL's worst friend.

What I haven't heard much about is how well Osweiler managed the pocket yesterday compared to Tannehill. This isn't new as every other QB has outperformed Tannehill in that area. The numbers certainly bear this out.

Starting with Gase's tenure in 2016:

2016 - Ryan Tannehill = 389 att; 29 sacks = 1 sack every 13.41 attempts
2016 - Matt Moore = 87 att; 1 sack = 1 sack every 87 attempts

2017 - Jay Cutler = 429 att; 20 sacks = 1 sack every 21.45 attempts
2017 - Matt Moore = 127 att; 12 sacks = 1 sack every 10.58 attempts (7 sacks in single game vs NE; 34 att)
2017 - David Fales = 43 att; 1 sack = 1 sack every 43 attempts
2017 - Overall = 599 att; 33 sacks = 1 sack every 18.15 attempts

2018 - Ryan Tannehill = 129 att; 11 sacks = 1 sack every 11.72 attempts
2019 - Brock Osweiller = 49 att; 0 sacks = 0 sacks every 1,000,000 attempts :)

Overall since Gase took over in 2016:

Ryan Tannehill = 518 attempts; 40 sacks = 1 sack every 12.95 attempts
All Others = 729 attempts; 34 sacks = 1 sack every 21.44 attempts
 
Those numbers are eye opening. Do you have a points per game using the same criteria Tannehill vs. everyone else?
 
Just posted this in another thread. Seems apropos for this one...

My view is the OL can be a QB's best friend and a QB can be an OL's best friend.

One thing that isn't a controversy is that Tannehill is the OL's worst friend.

What I haven't heard much about is how well Osweiler managed the pocket yesterday compared to Tannehill. This isn't new as every other QB has outperformed Tannehill in that area. The numbers certainly bear this out.

Starting with Gase's tenure in 2016:

2016 - Ryan Tannehill = 389 att; 29 sacks = 1 sack every 13.41 attempts
2016 - Matt Moore = 87 att; 1 sack = 1 sack every 87 attempts

2017 - Jay Cutler = 429 att; 20 sacks = 1 sack every 21.45 attempts
2017 - Matt Moore = 127 att; 12 sacks = 1 sack every 10.58 attempts (7 sacks in single game vs NE; 34 att)
2017 - David Fales = 43 att; 1 sack = 1 sack every 43 attempts
2017 - Overall = 599 att; 33 sacks = 1 sack every 18.15 attempts

2018 - Ryan Tannehill = 129 att; 11 sacks = 1 sack every 11.72 attempts
2019 - Brock Osweiller = 49 att; 0 sacks = 0 sacks every 1,000,000 attempts :)

Overall since Gase took over in 2016:

Ryan Tannehill = 518 attempts; 40 sacks = 1 sack every 12.95 attempts
All Others = 729 attempts; 34 sacks = 1 sack every 21.44 attempts

*In my white girl voice* OMG! LIKE, NO, WAY!

Stats don't tell the whole story dude, the offensive line clearly misses more blocks with Tannehill because they are jealous of his extremely good looks.
 
*In my white girl voice* OMG! LIKE, NO, WAY!

Stats don't tell the whole story dude, the offensive line clearly misses more blocks with Tannehill because they are jealous of his extremely good looks.
Cool story bro.

Don't good leaders make the players around then better?
 
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