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I Think I’m Onto Something...

multistage said:
After watching these guys for 42 years, I was never a “Fire this guy, then fire that guy!” fan.

Although I admit Cam Cameron needed to go.

But all I’ve heard is Gase, Burke, and Tannehill need to be shot. And I ignored it. But.....

Gase is not a guru or anything like it. This offense has been anemic. Before the injuries, they weren’t whacking and stacking.

At Cincy: 3rd and 1, Gore is running hot. So we throw it deep for an incompletion. Idiocy.

Today: 3rd and 10. Oh yeah, NOW is the time to hand it off. Stuffed. Idiocy.

Gase may not be going anywhere soon, but I don’t see him taking us anywhere. Not with that horrible play calling, that he shouldn’t be doing in the first place. OC???

Burke? Oh boy. This Wide 9 thing makes sense now. Send your D ends on a fierce pass rush which results in maybe one sack per game. Meanwhile, the other guys get more yards rushing than we do passing as they destroy your D tackles.

Go back to a base 4-3. Quit the gimmicky horseshit.

And while I’m not soured on Tannehill, Os is playing every bit as well for a fraction of the cost.

And why didn’t the team show up to play?? They did last week. Were they counting on the Miami heat to melt the Lions? That didn’t pan out. This one is on all hands.

Our coaches aren’t what we need. They aren’t getting the value out of the players. Sticking with dumbass calls (Gase) and a scheme that chews a D up (Burke) isn’t getting it done.

And how in HELL are all our guys getting banged up? Yeah, yeah, all teams have injuries.

But not to this extent. Again.

Something stinks...
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You know what? I agree with every point that you just made. I have been watching since 1974 and it is so frustrating to watch the play calling on offense. I don’t know how many times I have screamed at my tv watching a 3rd and long go 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage off of a bubble screen that everyone in the stadium could have predicted.

On defense, that wide 9 might be okay if you have a devastatingly quick and strong front 7, which we don’t. In fact, it may be something that you might bring out situationally, but it is not a great scheme at all for the personnel that we have. In fact I have hated it from the first day I saw it introduced here. Ironically, although our offensive traditions have been mostly crappy since Marino retired, at least for a good chunk of those years we had a very respectable defense, 3/4, 4/3, or hybrid. It’d be nice to see more 4/3 again, much more confident in the solidity of that scheme than the wide 9 with our coordinator and players.
 
Today was a microcosm of the Dolphins being the Dolphins. Come into the game at 4-2 at home against a team with a losing record and just totally screw the pooch.

When the game was over the saying that keep coming to my mind..."The Dolphins are still the Dolphins" drama, turmoil and another season on the brink of disaster.

It just feels like we are so far away from being a good franchise. To quote the great Marty Huggins ITS A MESS
 
multistage said:
After watching these guys for 42 years, I was never a “Fire this guy, then fire that guy!” fan.

Although I admit Cam Cameron needed to go.

But all I’ve heard is Gase, Burke, and Tannehill need to be shot. And I ignored it. But.....

Gase is not a guru or anything like it. This offense has been anemic. Before the injuries, they weren’t whacking and stacking.

At Cincy: 3rd and 1, Gore is running hot. So we throw it deep for an incompletion. Idiocy.

Today: 3rd and 10. Oh yeah, NOW is the time to hand it off. Stuffed. Idiocy.

Gase may not be going anywhere soon, but I don’t see him taking us anywhere. Not with that horrible play calling, that he shouldn’t be doing in the first place. OC???

Burke? Oh boy. This Wide 9 thing makes sense now. Send your D ends on a fierce pass rush which results in maybe one sack per game. Meanwhile, the other guys get more yards rushing than we do passing as they destroy your D tackles.

Go back to a base 4-3. Quit the gimmicky horseshit.

And while I’m not soured on Tannehill, Os is playing every bit as well for a fraction of the cost.

And why didn’t the team show up to play?? They did last week. Were they counting on the Miami heat to melt the Lions? That didn’t pan out. This one is on all hands.

Our coaches aren’t what we need. They aren’t getting the value out of the players. Sticking with dumbass calls (Gase) and a scheme that chews a D up (Burke) isn’t getting it done.

And how in HELL are all our guys getting banged up? Yeah, yeah, all teams have injuries.

But not to this extent. Again.

Something stinks...
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Man, I want so bad to believe that Gase is the guy. But, you make a good point. Why is the offense still anemic in year three on his tenure? Gase had a ton of talent to work with in Denver with Peyton Manning at the helm. Maybe it was more the talent level there than Gase being an offensive guru.

I guess I'm still on the fence a bit as he inherited a bad team and the talent level is better overall, but still maybe league average. And, guess what? Miami, sitting at 4-3, are a very average team.
 
Injuries are not helping. Wilson going down is a big hit. OL is a mess. You are relying on Gore who is nearly 40.

Our backups are scarcely NFL-caliber at some positions.

That being said, the defensive coaching is beyond questionable.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
Man, I want so bad to believe that Gase is the guy. But, you make a good point. Why is the offense still anemic in year three on his tenure? Gase had a ton of talent to work with in Denver with Peyton Manning at the helm. Maybe it was more the talent level there than Gase being an offensive guru.

I guess I'm still on the fence a bit as he inherited a bad team and the talent level is better overall, but still maybe league average. And, guess what? Miami, sitting at 4-3, are a very average team.
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It was absolutely the talent in Denver that made people think that Gase was a guru. It was Manning. Look at all of the years Manning was in Indy. They always won until Manning went down that last year and they were garbage. Manning had no one in Indy his last few years but he made everyone around him better. Than you put Manning on that stacked Denver team. Gase was not a factor. Manning called the plays.
 
multistage said:
I don’t think it’s luck.

In the 70s, we were the toughest team on the planet. Shula made those guys do 4-a-days in the August Miami heat.

And it payed off. They were animals.

These guys seem like China dolls.
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In the 70's, they were indentured servants, at least if they wanted to play football. The players might have caught on that they are the product and seemed to have found ways to use that leverage. You might have heard of this thing called the CBA?
 
The most frustrating aspect of watching today's game (outside of the complete lack of defense), was watching the offense take the play-clock down to 2-3 seconds while the clock was running and they were trailing 29-14. They even let the clock run down to less than 5 seconds when they were punting.
 
fin415 said:
In the 70's, they were indentured servants, at least if they wanted to play football. The players might have caught on that they are the product and seemed to have found ways to use that leverage. You might have heard of this thing called the CBA?
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This subject is fascinating to me. While I absolutely agree the players have rights where is the best meeting point?

I’m no ultra-rich apologist, but I think the general consensus is wrong about the worth of the players.

A simple test, take all of the current players and put them into a new league. At the same time have the NFL field all brand new players.

Now let them play games at the same time. Who are the people going to watch? Who are the people going to want to pay to go see? Who are the majority of the players going to want to play for?

The only reason Laveon Bell might be worth even close to what he’s asking ( I don’t think he is) is because he’s a Pittsburgh Steeler. They are a brand that has been built up over decades.

In football (IMO) the team is the real draw, not the players. Unless they are a superstar (like Marino) other than some fans of the home team, most big name stars will be completely forgotten, or not missed, by the viewers just a few years after they are gone.

Just look at how incredibly popular college football is. The school is and always will be the star. If the players are the reason people watch/buy/read etc, then how does college football survive the constant turnover of their rosters?

I believe the players should make a bunch of money, on I think pay should be more attached to present performance and wins/loses though. I think a great first year player should not have to wait until his second contract to be paid big. I also feel a fifth year, slow slot receiver is worth nowhere near a million a game.

By the same token, I think Albert Wilson would be about the highest paid guy on our team. That kid was the real difference in two wins this year.

Rambling...
 
When we win we normally seem to scrape by, rely on a big play by someone or something like that. When we lose we seem to just get hammered and never really be in the game
 
fin415 said:
In the 70's, they were indentured servants, at least if they wanted to play football. The players might have caught on that they are the product and seemed to have found ways to use that leverage. You might have heard of this thing called the CBA?
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Yeah I’ve heard of it thanks. I’ll have to write all that down.
 
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