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Why Can’t We Turn It Around?

Starts with the Owner, don't think Ross is a bad person, he cares about Dolphins, desperate to win a SB but....his instincts are so poor.

When It comes to football operations Ross always bends towards people he likes over quality.

Grier, Tannenbaum, Ireland etc mediocrity reigns supreme. All have or had Ross in their back pocket for years.

Unless Ross instincts on football ops hires improves drastically, perpetual mediocrity will plague this organization.
 
The roster is afflicted with below average players at almost every position.

You can't make chicken salad...
 
The short answer, you can't scheme around losing the LOS.

When you need to upgrade 4 out of 5 OL spots, coaching and QB play can only do so much. When RT gets average blocking and 80-90 rushing yards, he's virtually impossible to beat.

When you blow a 17-0 2nd half lead and lose your starting QB because your only competent OL missed a quarter and a half of play, you have a big problem.

On defense, their simply is no reason to keep Matt Burke. We all wanted it to work but he's done nothing to warrant a shred of excitement about the future. They aren't the most talented defense in the league but I've seen this franchise field much worse than Reshad Jones, Xavien Howard, Kiko Alonso, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Robert Quinn, Jerome Baker and Godchaux/Taylor....(I'm not including Bobby McCain because......he's still Bobby McCain).

Alot of thought needs to go into the next major decision that involve the future leadership of this franchise. We(the staff) are obviously doing something wrong.

However, we are still 4-4 when we should be 1-7. We were 6-10 last year when we should've been 2-14.

Clearly though, Adam Gase is doing something right.

Find 4 new OL, a DT, DE, CB and a qualified defensive coordinator and let's try this again. AG needs to go the route of Doug Pederson and hire a former head coach who needs to go back to coordinating. Todd Bowles would be ideal but highly doubt he gets canned.

Coaches are ascending to top jobs much quicker (and younger) than ever where as back in the day they had to pay their dues. Matt Burke wasn't ready for his job.

Helluva answer. I like it.
 
The definition of the Miami Dolphins.. doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result pretty much sums it up
 
we have cheap glorified high school coaches. gase being one of them. and mgmt on the cheap.
 
Tannehill would have been cut after his second year anywhere else but in Miami.
 
Rams = Goff
Eagles = Wentz
Dolphins = BORING

that's why.
The Goff example cracks me up. I have every confidence that if Tannehill played in that offense with that coach he would be every bit as productive as Goff. Tannehill is more talented than Goff in just about every category you can name. Do you honestly believe that Tannehill is the reason Dolphins = boring when comparing the Rams personnel and offensive philosophy to Miami's? Watch the way the Rams play designs and how aggressive they are and you will see it is nothing like the way Miami always seems to be attacking the defense horizontally instead of intermediately or deep.
 
The Goff example cracks me up. I have every confidence that if Tannehill played in that offense with that coach he would be every bit as productive as Goff. Tannehill is more talented than Goff in just about every category you can name. Do you honestly believe that Tannehill is the reason Dolphins = boring when comparing the Rams personnel and offensive philosophy to Miami's? Watch the way the Rams play designs and how aggressive they are and you will see it is nothing like the way Miami always seems to be attacking the defense horizontally instead of intermediately or deep.

What are these “categories” you speak of?

Can you name one, please?
 
It's a fair question. I haven't read the other responses so maybe this has already been said.

Honestly, I think it comes down to not building the foundation. I know there is a lot of criticism of quarterbacks, but is it any secret that most of the best ones usually have a good supporting cast? Miami has struggled for a long, long time to put an offensive line together. That is a yearly weakness and has held the offense back for more than a decade. The loss of Josh Sitton early in the season was huge. Before that, it looked like the Dolphins might actually have their best offensive line in many years.

While Miami has struggled with putting together an offensive line, the defensive line had been a strength for a long time. That isn't the case anymore, unfortunately. There's no dominant defensive lineman that offenses have to game-plan for. Vincent Taylor and Devon Godchaux have exceeded their draft status, but the Dolphins unit has to be bottom 10 talent-wise.

If you win in the trenches, that's why the Dolphins aren't winning.
 
Because Miami hires people that are lucky to even have a job and they know it. These people then make decisions centered around whatever best helps them keep that job for another week, or 6 months, or 2 years.

Nobody ever has the guts to make the decisions that are best long term because they're risky. It's a lot easier to convince the fanbase every year that 7-9 is better than 2-14. The fans agree.

It's not complicated. I've described it many times: Mediocre minds dependably make mediocre decisions. Mediocre minds are impressed by people with similar standard-fare thought process. Hence one mediocrity hires another mediocrity.

The early personnel guys could wow you with a handful of sentences. Joe Thomas, George Young and Bobby Beathard had very different personalities but it was quickly unmistakable how sharp they were.

Nobody subsequent has been of that caliber. Not even close.

Garfinkel is impressive. If he ascended to the point he was trusted with hiring football guys instead of merely running the stadium and the business aspects, then I'd have a degree of hope.
 
This! It’s the people in charge. I love the posters who blame the fan base. I needed a good laugh. Also, I love how people act like every good team in the league has had 5 or 6 years of 2-14 to load up. Laughable! The only way to get good according to Finheaven is have multiple really bad seasons. Funny the best team over the past 20 years hasn’t had a single high draft pick and when they get them they trade down.

It’s all about the people in charge. There have been more franchise QB’s acquired via trade up than sucking and taken at the natural draft position. QB is about identifying someone you like and going after them aggressively not going 1-15 and taking whatever is there. It’s like everyone forgets the 3 best QB’s on the NFL are a 6th round pick, a free agent and the 22nd overall pick. Darnold, Allen and Rosen were all acquired via trade up as well as Wentz and Mahomes. But having really bad years is the only way.

Sometime I feel like posters just want to throw there Dolphins merch on, watch the draft and high five there buddies because we picked someone in the top 5. Like when Dion Jordan was selected. If you consistently drafting high it probably means the decision makers will **** it up because they’ve been already ****ing up to get you there.

Having really bad seasons isn’t about simply loading up in the draft. It’s about providing the environment for wholesale changes in management, coaching, ownership, hell even scouting. When you have mediocrity extending over numerous regimes, you need seismic changes.
I’ve stopped believing that a new GM or coach or QB will make a lick of a difference. The whole thing stinks, top to bottom.
 
The Goff example cracks me up. I have every confidence that if Tannehill played in that offense with that coach he would be every bit as productive as Goff. Tannehill is more talented than Goff in just about every category you can name. Do you honestly believe that Tannehill is the reason Dolphins = boring when comparing the Rams personnel and offensive philosophy to Miami's? Watch the way the Rams play designs and how aggressive they are and you will see it is nothing like the way Miami always seems to be attacking the defense horizontally instead of intermediately or deep.

Fans of the other 31 teams would laugh if we put Tannehill and Goff in the same category.
 
I would never give up a win ever. Hire people who can draft from 8-8
That's right!
Just because your drafting from say, 11-18, doesn't mean that you can't get good, solid players.
Also, look who we've passed on when we were in the top 3.
 
The Goff example cracks me up. I have every confidence that if Tannehill played in that offense with that coach he would be every bit as productive as Goff. Tannehill is more talented than Goff in just about every category you can name. Do you honestly believe that Tannehill is the reason Dolphins = boring when comparing the Rams personnel and offensive philosophy to Miami's? Watch the way the Rams play designs and how aggressive they are and you will see it is nothing like the way Miami always seems to be attacking the defense horizontally instead of intermediately or deep.

I've defended Tannehill quite a bit, and still want to see if he can play few more games this season but have you ever actually sat down and watched Goff play a full game??

I have, and Goff is easily on a completely different level than Tanne. Has pocket presence/elusiveness Tanne can only dream of yet the same uber talented cannon arm and better size.
 
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