I’ve seen enough Brock and I hope RT can play this weekend
Tannehill Throwing, Without Pain...
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What was so eye opening about last night was counting how many times the commentators credited the offensive line for opening up holes and blocking.
But offensive lines don’t matter and play very little into a QBs play and overall offensive effectiveness.
But offensive lines don’t matter and play very little into a QBs play and overall offensive effectiveness.
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There’s a lot of people on this site that truly believe that Oline play doesn’t matter.
phins_4_ever
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Oh please. Those two QBs show the ability the play the position Tannehill has never even been close to in over 5 years. This has nothing to do with "Tannehill hate". That is reality.
I also saw plenty of sacks and strip sacks and yet neither QB folded like a lawn chair
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Those two teams also have more talent to over come adversity.
Yes at the QB position especially
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That is what you took away from that? LOL. Not the attacking downfield, moving around to escape, stupid arm talent?
You must have missed Aaron Donald's domination as you were attempting to explain away top notch QB play with "o line" in some weird lame attempt to run cover for a QB who wasnt even playing in the game.. Thats kind of weird man, just enjoy the show, you don't need to grasp at straws to go post on a message board to attempt to cover for an average 7 year vet..
phins_4_ever
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So in that case we can't blame Osweiler for our offensive mishaps?
Statements like yours simply open a can of worms.
Football is not Windows 10 plug and play environment. The ridiculous notion that you can take Geoff and Mahomes out and plug Tannehill (or any other average QB) in and have the same or similar results is utter BS.
Based on yours and @circumstances post the QB position becomes the least important. Then why not get slouch QB in Round 6 or 7? Plug and Play right?
Only in Dolphins land the QB position becomes just another position. For every other team the player who touches the ball the second most times on offense (second to the center), has to read defenses presnap, make changes on the line of scrimmage, deliver the ball to its targets while improvising after the snap if necessary it is the most important position on the field.
If anybody watched the game yesterday and said "Oh Ryan can do that" or "Just plug him in" is completely misguided about what a franchise QB should look like.
phins_4_ever
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The OLs played good yesterday but to say they were the reason like @Krateness is implying is utterly ridiculous. I haven't seen that much improvised play by QBs in one game in a long time. Those were two guys who elevated talent around them.
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I saw some good quarterback play, I Saw an interception, I saw some underthrown balls, I saw some decent ball placement, I saw some decent escapability with strip sack’s attached to them. I saw two really good teams out there not just a quarterback.
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Reasonable people can disagree over % (is the QB 50% of the O, 33%, 67%), but neither side can say it's ALL the QB or the QB has no affect. There is overwhelming evidence the QB is the most important position, but, there is overwhelming evidence OL, skill positions, HC, OC affect performance. Either side denying those facts is exposing their agenda or lack of football knowledge.
Yesterday was the first time I've seen Mahomes. Looks like an elite QB in the making. Goff? Not so much. No, I'm not saying he was average, but no elite QB in the making.
Back to topic, Tannehill is throwing without pain. IMO, he's much better than Os. To me, Gase's play-calling is either the biggest factor or 2nd biggest factor in the abysmal O production. We can argue over 1st or second, but Tannehill's arm isn't going to make a 20 point difference.
phins_4_ever
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I agree with you that you need good players in other positions but the importance of the QB is shown when you take just one player out: WR, RB, OL, QB which one would have the greater impact? As a matter of fact you can make the argument that you could replace one WR, one OL player and one RB it would still have a lesser impact than just losing the QB.
HC and OC are important as well. But they are also responsible for assembling the talent and creating a playbook highlighting the strength of the team they have put together. The playcalling is based on the players they have assembled in the first place. Neither of these coaches could use the same playcalling on the Dolphins or Jets because neither team has the QB to execute such plays.
McVay was a brilliant pick up for the Rams. He is the right coach for that team.
Not what I said.
What I said was how the commentators credited the oline for doing it job various times. Show me where I stated that the offensive line was the only reason for their offensive performance last night...
Smdh, offensive line has to work in unison with the QB. A QB has to trust that the offensive line is going to buy him time and the team has to trust the QB to extend the play when things go bad.
You guys and your innability to apply context on your own is what’s outrageous. I mean I credit one portion of what I think aided the great performance, when many say that o-line play is utterly irrelevant in a QB or an offense’s success, and get called rediculous for thinking like anything else could have played into how things played out.
Give me a break...