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Everyone Needs To Tap The Brakes And Relax

Sure most of our immediate reactions following games/seasons like this is emotional, but the numbers don't support keeping Gase either imo. Bottom 3 in both offense and defense is extremely bad. We've done well in close games but winning like that isn't sustainable. Injuries matter but how much? Would being healthy really push them from 30th to even average? I doubt it. And we're in year three, not one. I'm ready to move on.
 
I like, and respect you as a poster, so, on second thought. I will give this a shot.

His game day decisions are baffling, to say the least.

3rd and very short, he has often called "wide", slow developing plays that do not attack the LOS. That is a mistake IMO.

I consider what you have provided to be a more reasonable example, but I was thinking more like the result of the play calling for a given game in relationship to the result of the play calling for the first 1/2 of the season or some other extended period of games. Then with that information in place you can begin to focus on specific areas such as defensive play calling, offensive play calling, the running game, the passing game, the kicking game, special teams and the positional play. After you establish the overall team performance for a few previous games, then you focus on the plays that captured your interest (for whatever reason).

The point is you set the table with the overall team performance over time and then focus on details that support or fall short or exceed the teams recent general performance. This lets the reader see how the detail being analyzed relates to what has happened recently as opposed to a using a group of extreme individual good or bad detailed performances to establish what turns out to be a false narative of the teams recent game day performances. In short, it help put an analysis in perspective.

As an example:

"The teams performance has been inconsistent for the last 5 games with limited points production, even when winning."

This describes an overall pattern of the teams recent history in a relatively neutral way. It may be considered a negative presentation of the teams performance, but it can still be accurate without the hyperbole that I find particularly aggravating when I'm looking for a sound analysis of what is going on.

This would be followed by some specific area of concern, such as "3rd down play calling and the results of that play calling".

The conclusion could be how the "3rd down play calling related to the low scoring of the last several games".

I know that this seems to be more thorough then many here are interested in, but as I have just shown, you only needs to add a sentence or two at the beginning to establish the basis for the narrative.

For those that prefer hyperbole to simple statements of facts, this will alert me to that fact in the first lines of the post and I know that I can skip it without missing much. This shouldn't upset any poster but a troll.
 
Sure most of our immediate reactions following games/seasons like this is emotional, but the numbers don't support keeping Gase either imo. Bottom 3 in both offense and defense is extremely bad. We've done well in close games but winning like that isn't sustainable. Injuries matter but how much? Would being healthy really push them from 30th to even average? I doubt it. And we're in year three, not one. I'm ready to move on.
We also can't win on the road. Nice post bro.
 
Firing everyone is an emotional reaction. It’s what an 8 year old does when they don’t get their way.

Gase didn’t pick the players. I hate some of his decisions but if you think a young coach isn’t going to go through growing pains just wait til you bring in a rookie QB. Lol you guys gonna explode on that poor kid and then Blame that coach.

News flash winning super bowls isn’t easy....elite QB doesn’t guarantee a Super Bowl (see Dan Marino).....not every draft pick is going to work out....sometimes free agents with zero prior health issues get hurt....sometimes free agents continue to get hurt....

Football is tough in the salary cap era. Gase is smarter than anyone on this board and that’s just the truth.

Now yes if Miami can upgrade at QB sure you go for it but there is no coach that would have won more with Miami’s roster this year. No QB is lighting it up with that turd O line. Those are just facts. Doesn’t mean Tannehill is the answer just means you guys aren’t comparing apples to apples when evaluating that position

My issues that I haven’t liked include the following:

TJ McDonald Extension
Jay Cutler at any contract
Not resigning Jarvis Landry
Brock Osweiler in any form
Letting Suh walk with that dead $$$

No matter though I’m a fan and I’m tired of just changing course over and over.

Ever see how many people like Rick Spielman everyone hated go on to be highly successful elsewhere. Players too. How pissed would be to see Gase go elsewhere and dominate. That’s so Dolphin isnt it

If the course isn’t working it has to be changed. Not change for change sake but because we have mediocre.
I can count 10-15 more moves that were dreadful under Mr. T watch off top of my head.
Suh contract, Alonso Trade, Harris, extension for Kiko, Branch extension, failing to identify franchise QB, failing to trade Landry or Parker for value, failing to upgrade Pouncy, failing to fill SUH hole, signing the fat LB who liked strippers, allowing coke head OC, Gesicki over other available TEs,
Wait what about Mario freakin Williams!
Failed to develop Tankersly -
I’m sorry but I can’t hang my hat on no brainers like Tunsil and Minkah.
No faith in the ORG leadership.
 
We could build the line last year but you realize no Albert Wilson, minkah prolly gets passed up for a lineman as well, etc

Building a team takes time and years and continuity
If you drafted well and signed well you wouldn’t have a dozen holes.
 
3 years with gase and his offense, Miami shouldn’t be having games under 200 yards,let alone 5 of them. It shouldn’t take years and years of continuity to convert a 3rd down or score more than 2 TDs a game on a consistent basis.
Exactly. Such woeful / inept offensive production. That’s like 1960’s production for a bad team.
 
How much do injuries matter?

Ask Kansas City who lost Hunt (not injury related but same difference)

Ask the Rams after losing Kupp.

Neither team has been the same. Injuries do matter and they matter a great deal in a league where salary cap rules the roster.
 
I consider what you have provided to be a more reasonable example, but I was thinking more like the result of the play calling for a given game in relationship to the result of the play calling for the first 1/2 of the season or some other extended period of games. Then with that information in place you can begin to focus on specific areas such as defensive play calling, offensive play calling, the running game, the passing game, the kicking game, special teams and the positional play. After you establish the overall team performance for a few previous games, then you focus on the plays that captured your interest (for whatever reason).

The point is you set the table with the overall team performance over time and then focus on details that support or fall short or exceed the teams recent general performance. This lets the reader see how the detail being analyzed relates to what has happened recently as opposed to a using a group of extreme individual good or bad detailed performances to establish what turns out to be a false narative of the teams recent game day performances. In short, it help put an analysis in perspective.

As an example:

"The teams performance has been inconsistent for the last 5 games with limited points production, even when winning."

This describes an overall pattern of the teams recent history in a relatively neutral way. It may be considered a negative presentation of the teams performance, but it can still be accurate without the hyperbole that I find particularly aggravating when I'm looking for a sound analysis of what is going on.

This would be followed by some specific area of concern, such as "3rd down play calling and the results of that play calling".

The conclusion could be how the "3rd down play calling related to the low scoring of the last several games".

I know that this seems to be more thorough then many here are interested in, but as I have just shown, you only needs to add a sentence or two at the beginning to establish the basis for the narrative.

For those that prefer hyperbole to simple statements of facts, this will alert me to that fact in the first lines of the post and I know that I can skip it without missing much. This shouldn't upset any poster but a troll.
What you ask is not unreasonable, assuming one wants to watch, and make notes on three years of game film. There is, however, a much easier way. There are statistics compiled for virtually every aspect of NFL football, and almost none of them show progress.

Our point differential has gone from -17 in 2016 (players pre Gase), to -112 in 2017, to -89 so far this year.

That's not a favorable picture given his guru label.

Let's start there, and then move on.

There is no point in getting into D stats, as it relates to Gase, as by his own admission, he doesn't do defense. One of the major issues I have with him as HC. Even that I might be able to see past if he had hired an experienced DC.
 
No matter though I’m a fan and I’m tired of just changing course over and over.
I suppose this means you are satisfied with the Dolphins being 8-8 for the rest of eternity.

With no change there is no improvement.
 
im usually against blowing it up completely, i gave gase 3 years and i see no improvement in this team...still unprepared, plays soft, issues from year 1 not corrected in year 3....

the whole front office should be replaced and the new gm should evaluate the roster and decide who stays and goes. Guys like charles harris would be gone, not hanging around making millions to be just another body out there.

The new gm could also decide if he wants to give gase one more year to prove himself. I wouldnt personally give him another year but if the new gm decided to i could live with it. Trade Tannehill and let Gase sink the ship for a high pick and let the new coach get a 1st rnd qb in 2020.
 
How much do injuries matter?

Ask Kansas City who lost Hunt (not injury related but same difference)

Ask the Rams after losing Kupp.

Neither team has been the same. Injuries do matter and they matter a great deal in a league where salary cap rules the roster.
I think the overall point is, every team has them, not just the Dolphins. It is not an excuse for failure if the playing field is even.

(In regards to Gases recent comments)
 
With the talent along the OL and injuries we can't possibly evaluate Ryan or him and Tannenbaum

Gase and Tannenbaum can ABSOLUTELY be evaluated by the play of the o-line, including with the back-ups playing. Let's go back to Parcells for a minute. He took Jake Long #1 overall rather than draft a QB in the first round. Before injuries took their toll, no one could question Jake's toughness and ability at LT. Under Sparano, they had a few turnstiles at RT, but the rest of the line was competent at worst. Guys like Long and Incognito weren't pushed around... they normally did the pushing.

Enter Philbin and his short pass based finesse offense with its accompanying blocking schemes. Philbin replaced Sparano's o-line with linemen who were more athletic and could execute his blocking schemes. Philbin did keep Pouncey, who IMO was more finesse and weak than tough and physical. Pouncey might have been athletic enough to get out and block at the next level, but he was also pushed around and knocked on his butt. Philbin's entire o-line was the same way; consistently pushed around and dominated by tough, physical d-lines. Their run blocking was poor, which didn't bother Philbin because he wanted the short pass to mostly replace the run. Their pass blocking was barely adequate on their best day; this is the line that allowed Tannehill to be sacked more than any other QB over a 4 year period. (Granted, Tanny was to blame for some of those, but still...)

Enter Gase for 2016. He also prefers a short pass based offense, and once publicly admitted that he had to tell his previous OC to remind him to run the ball once in a while because he'd rather throw it every down. So naturally, this new regime kept Philbin's o-linemen, including the two worst ranked Guards in the entire league for 2015 (Thomas and Turner). With the exception of drafting Tunsil in the 1st round (only because he fell to them), their (Gase and the Front Office) solution to fixing a poor o-line has been to sign over-the-hill or oft-injured veteran Free Agents, or draft projects. (Oh... and another 1st round pick on James, who is definitely not worth a 1st round pick!)

Philbin wanted nothing to do with tough, nasty, old-school type o-linemen, and together with the Front Office built a new o-line with the type of players that he preferred to execute his blocking schemes. Gase, liking a similar style of offense, kept those linemen, and brought in more as needed. So, why does the line still suck? If you look at the big picture, you'll see that the philosophy change from tough and nasty to finesse has resulted in a weak o-line. For the past 7 years under both Philbin and Gase, their o-line has been smacked around by tough, physical defenses. The problem appears to be either one of two things, or a combination of both: 1, the types of o-linemen that they bring in that are able to execute their blocking schemes are weak and just aren't very good, or 2, their blocking schemes are totally ineffective. IMO, an injured Jake Long is tougher, stronger, and better than ANYONE else that Philbin or Gase (and their corresponding Front Office personnel) has put on the line.

So, IMO, Gase and the Front Office built this line according to their specifications, they hand-picked each member and the back-ups, and they tell this line to execute their blocking schemes. They are 100% responsible for the poor play of this o-line. Miami will never improve their offense until they get rid of this weak finesse philosophy.
 
Actually the reports in summer were that BO was brought in by Tannenbaum and Gase met with BO because he didn’t like the idea. Supposedly, he had to be convinced.

I’m not saying Gase should be retained. But let’s assign blame where it is firmly due: 3rd down offense, OL play, DC selection, etc
Joe Rose says that isn’t true. Gase told him signing Osweiler was his idea because he knew the playbook and still believed in him.
 
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