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Howard Officially Among League’s Best, But Does He Fit In Dolphins’ Long-term Plans?

He can’t fit in.

It’s gonna take trading players like this short-term, to build for the long term. Accept reality.

Everyone want to trade away trash and expect gold nuggets in return

Everyone wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die

Does anyone possibly think that we can build a young, strong and competitive organization without some pain???

For shi*s sake. This is what pain looks like!!!!!

If you don’t want the medicine, just go around in circles for another 2 decades.

In the meantime, take your injection like a man

He is under thirty dude, and he will continue to improve. It would be foolish to trade this foundational player.
 
I don't think some people are realizing how little it will bother our salary cap to pay X too corner money. You do it and you don't think twice

Yes, QB is the most important piece but some people are getting carried away. You have two cornerstone pieces that will still be in their prime 2-4 years from now. You don't need to ship them off to get a QB

People wanna ship off talent then hang Grier in 3 years when he hasn't drafted well enough to support his QB
 
For 75 million? We are not one player away from being a super bowl contender... Too many holes on both defense and offense. This is a contract that will cripple this team for a long time.

Ross want to change the approach, and getting rid of talented home grown players has been part of our approach that we need to change. It is not unreasonable to pay a top corner as the foundation for your team.
 
At the very least we need to let him play out his rookie contract and place the franchise tag on him. With Jones getting up there in years and no other DB on the roster matching his production is rather invest in the top level talent we have and keep a lockdown corner in Miami for the best years of his career. He and Minkah could head one of the best secondaries in the league for years to come if we don’t decide to get stingy.
 
I think this conversation is a bit moot. I see him getting franchised before extended.


...Well, if we're smart, anyways (which we aren't, lets be honest).
 
My thought is if the Fins are planning on drafting their QB of the future this year or next you resign X. The cap space will be there since the QB will be on his rookie contract and having a ball hawk shut down corner is a huge asset. That plus Minkah gives a strong presence back there for the next 4+ years.

If the Fins are looking to pay for a guy at QB then you have to trade X and get that compensation for cheaper young chess pieces.
 
For 75 million? We are not one player away from being a super bowl contender... Too many holes on both defense and offense. This is a contract that will cripple this team for a long time.

The 75 million isn't really relevant, it's the cap hit each year. As long as he plays well enough to earn the contract, it's well worth the investment.
 
Such a stupid argument. The Bucs drafted Warren Sapp in 95 and were terrible. They won the Super Bowl in 2002. If you draft one of the best players at their position, YOU KEEP THEM. You don't get rid of them in hopes of drafting starters. That is how you permanently end up in rebuild mode.
 
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Uhhhhhhh, how long do you think it will take to build this team into a contender??

And how do you think we get there?

And what will his HUGE contract do to our cap then? And how old will he be??

You either have a long term plan or you don’t. It takes PLANNING, and a strategy. How, in ****s sake, does a HUGE X contract fit in a few years from now?

I will tell you what DOES fit in, future high round picks
A good front office and coaching staff would have this team in contention by 2020 or 2021 at the latest. It is ridiculous to think a team has to be terrible for several years in order to compete. When the best teams in the league have been competing for years despite picking near the bottom of the draft. Get a good coaching staff, get a talented young QB, fill some other holes and you should be competing. Just because the Dolphins have failed to do this for so long doesn't make it rocket science. It just means they had the wrong people trying to do the job.
 
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Such a stupid argument. The Bucs drafted Warren Sapp in 95 and were terrible. They won the Super Bowl in 2002. If you draft one of the best players at their position, YOU KEEP THEM. You don't get rid of them in hopes of drafting starters. That is how you permanently end up in rebuild mode.
Exactly, I don't understand trading away a young player who has been playing near an elite level at the CB poistion. I can understand trading overpaid average players such as Branch and Alonso but don't get trading away Howard. Rebuilding teams need all the potentially elite young players they can get. Trading any away makes no sense.
 
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A corner Cannot carry a team to a Super Bowl.

A franchise QB can
So a team can't have a franchise QB and and elite CB? You are setting your standards extremely low. This team does need a franchise QB, buy they also need a legit coaching staff and as many talented players as they can draft and pay. No reason to trade away Howard now. The plan should be to build the defense around him ans Minkah as well as some of the other young players they have.
 
3-13
9-7
13-3 and win the Super Bowl

That^ was the New Orleans Saints three year stretch just one decade ago.

You don't need to let X go just because we suck. You don't let go of your best player, your only all-pro, who isn't even his prime, who is absolutely a GOOD VALUE even at a big $. You keep the best players at their position and when you have the right mix then you compete for a Super Bowl. Confused what some of these people think a rebuild means - does every team rebuilding have only mid level salary players? And conversely, do elite teams all have just ONE big salary high productive player on their roster?

Some of you don't make sense. Signing X - who would be a shut down corner and isn't even in his prime yet - is not the same as signing an overpriced free agent or a "one piece away move" that pays a free agent way too much money on a 2-3 year contract. Get a grip... or at the very least, stop talking about your understanding of how to build an elite franchise like you have some brilliant blueprint.
 
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