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How Should The Dolphins Maneuver For A 1st Round Pick In 2020 Without Tanking?

THEY DID NOT. Collins got hurt after 3 games.

Man, you people are ****ing unbelievable.

I mean teams don't necessarily say "hey guys we are gonna lose every game this year" There are careers at stake. But the FO and coaching staff can be on the same page and sell off talent and know a losing season is coming. Start a terrible QB instead of upgrading the QB spot with a middling QB that might win them an extra game or two. As long as the FO and coach have this understanding that the year is going to be rough, I can definitely see this in the NFL. It happens.
 
I'd trade back as much as possible this draft for future picks. Particularly out of the first to net future high picks, or more tradable capital in this draft.

This is exactly what you do and it's what the patriots have been doing for years. Put #13 up for bid. We need to rebuild the lines so if we move back into the mid to late 20s we can pick up and extra 1st in 2020 and another mid round pick this year. You do it again in the 2nd if there's any buyers.

We aren't going anywhere this year. Stockpile picks for next year. Use our high one on a QB and put the 2nd 1st up for bid.
 
Couple things.

If Tua and Fromm stay at this high level for another year, I don’t believe there is any scenario in which a team has the 1st and 2nd pick and don’t pull the trigger. No matter the compensation.

Lets say the Jets have the top pick and they have Darnold . . . .i truly feel they still draft Fromm or Tua.

QB is that important.

So instead of all this “stockpiling”. Either A. Show some conviction and draft a guy this draft or B. Focus on adding talent on defense and see where the cards take you. Either way you will need to be league worst to grab a stud in 2020 . . . Play a young QB with no experience and see if he has the goods to be your future or to hand you your future.
 
Kerry Collins was RETIRED. That was the Jay Cutler move... Doesn't scream trying to win... and he was concussed, hardly out for the season. and then once the losses piled up, they didn't budge off Painter... UNTIL they secured the #1 overall pick.
You don't remember **** from that season so stop making crap up.

Let me run a quick summary for you:
- Manning gets hurt in the summer of 2011
- Manning gets a contract extension shortly AFTER his injury
- When it appears that Manning might not be ready for the season they sign Collins out of retirement (because there was not other available option at QB) a couple weeks before the season starts
- one week before the season starts they declare that Manning is out for the year and Collins becomes the starter
- Collins gets hurt (concussion) after 3 games and Painter replaces him
- Collins is declared out for the season with a concussion a week or so later and Painter remains the starter for the rest of the year.

Neither the Colts or anybody else doubted that Manning would fully recover after his surgery. Luck was not even on the Colts radar until the losses started piling up.

This is where this whole garbage "Colts tanked the season" falls apart every single time: facts.

You can declare incompetency by the FO and coaches if you want to. And that is exactly why everybody was fired at the end of that season.
 
Realistically you'd have to deal away your first rounder this year for a 1st rounder next year (plus another pick). Then use that draft capital to move up.
 
You don't remember **** from that season so stop making crap up.

Let me run a quick summary for you:
- Manning gets hurt in the summer of 2011
- Manning gets a contract extension shortly AFTER his injury
- When it appears that Manning might not be ready for the season they sign Collins out of retirement (because there was not other available option at QB) a couple weeks before the season starts
- one week before the season starts they declare that Manning is out for the year and Collins becomes the starter
- Collins gets hurt (concussion) after 3 games and Painter replaces him
- Collins is declared out for the season with a concussion a week or so later and Painter remains the starter for the rest of the year.

Neither the Colts or anybody else doubted that Manning would fully recover after his surgery. Luck was not even on the Colts radar until the losses started piling up.

This is where this whole garbage "Colts tanked the season" falls apart every single time: facts.

You can declare incompetency by the FO and coaches if you want to. And that is exactly why everybody was fired at the end of that season.

How convenient for Irsay and his father that his team just happens to have the first overall pick whenever there is a generational QB available to draft... I’m sure it just didn’t enter their mind *at all* when old man Manning’s neck surgery went down. mmmkay.

I really don’t know why you give a rich cokehead like Irsay any benefit of the doubt when it comes to something like this.
 
I'm not in on Fromm yet. At this point he's certainly not someone I would deliberately tank for. I think people are drinking the kool aid a little heavy on that one
 
THEY DID NOT. Collins got hurt after 3 games.

Man, you people are ****ing unbelievable.
hahahaha. ****ing collins? you do remember they pulled his ass out of retirement right. the ****ing colts tanked. watch that whole season of indy games and tell me they didn’t.
 
trade our 1st round pick at 13 to a team who sits at 27-30. then trade that pick to a team who wants to jump back into 1st round. You should be able to get 2 first round picks for next years draft plus our own 1. that is 3 first round picks. enough ammo to move to the first pick to take Tua.
 
How convenient for Irsay and his father that his team just happens to have the first overall pick whenever there is a generational QB available to draft... I’m sure it just didn’t enter their mind *at all* when old man Manning’s neck surgery went down. mmmkay.

I really don’t know why you give a rich cokehead like Irsay any benefit of the doubt when it comes to something like this.
This is all wishful thinking by you. Old man Peyton (he was 35 in 2011) received an extension by the Colts after his injury in 2011.There was never the thought of replacing him with some made up BS like suck for luck. I go even further that if Manning would not have been due a 28 Mill roster bonus in March of 2012 he would have stayed in Indianapolis and retired with the team who drafted him and if the Colts would have drafted Luck then Luck would have rode the bench for a couple years.

Peyton was not done after that season. he had a couple pro bowl seasons, MVP awards, Superbowl appearance, passing yard leader etc.

It was clearly stated back then that the Colts did not decide what to do in the upcoming draft until they decided to release Peyton. They had three options:
Keep Manning as the starter and draft Luck to be groomed
Release Peyton and draft Luck
Keep Peyton and trade the #1 pick for a boatload of draft picks

Most people thought and most Colts fan wanted to keep Manning and draft Luck and create a scenario like Favre/Rodgers or Montana/Young where eventually Manning retires and Luck takes over or Manning gets hurt and Luck takes over.

The decision to release Manning and go full Luck was not made until shortly before the deadline. It was a money issue at the end.

Everything else is just speculation and stupidity by people who think that NFL teams can easily tank seasons.

The only case you could ever make for an NFL team to tank a season would be the Raiders case in which they be moving to a new city in a couple years and have no clue where they play the transition year (next year). But even then it is far fetched because Carr was asked that question this year if the Raiders are tanking the season. He clearly responded (paraphrasing) that coaches and players always want to win. They owe that to themselves and the remaining faithful fans in Oakland.

Like I said before the only thing the Colts season proves is that incompetence by the FO and coaches not to have a decent backup QB can kill your season and it showed the importance of the QB position. If you suck at QB you will never have a chance even if you have a playoff capable tem surrounding that QB. The QB is the most important position on offense.

And that incompetence got them all fired.
 
hmm ill decide after tonight if we should wait until 2021 for Trevor Lawrence lol. Or is there any way he can come out as a sophomore like Mike Vick did?

One flaw in Lawrence's game is his ability to extend plays and handling pressure which will get better considering he's only a freshman, Alabama is the best team in college football at pressuring the QB, I fully expect them to give the true freshman a hard time.
 
Play to win next season, doesn’t matter where you finish. 5 of the 10 QB’s playing right now where picked after the top 10 picks.
 
Rebuild starting with the OL, start David Fales at QB and realise you're going to suck for a year. Then go get your QB, trade up if you have to. Good is the enemy of great- Jimmy Johnson said it, the Dolphins showed that average is the enemy of great, for sure.
 
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