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It’s rare that you have a draft where the top 3 or 4 or even 5 picks like this 19 draft don’t have dire obvious qb needs.

So don’t expect that in the 2020 draft if you finish with a 5th pick even that you are gonna waltz your way to a trade up for a qb. Like hell you are if teams in front of you have dire obvious qb needs. And odds are really good there will be multiple of them.
 
Prob the only way to get Tua is to be the worst team in the league (or he has a bad year next year)... to do that your team actually needs to be that bad... all this talk of purposely tanking is hog wash. Good luck walking into a locker room and telling everyone the goal is to suck on purpose.
 
Yea unless you’re planning to be worse than the Raiders , Skins, Bucs, Giants, etc....

You’re trading the farm if you want to crack top 3 or taking a consolation price.

No reason not to give serious consideration to the 2019 class and take a shot. The value is there.
 
Not me. I would be ecstatic if we dumped those two. A couple of the most overrated dolphins I’ve ever seen.
I don't think Jones in his prime was over rated. His "prime" didn't last all that long, and the contract was dumb.

In any case, I don't think you can get anything in trade, and there is 12+ million dead money next year.

Kiko needs to take a restructured pay cut, or yes he's gone. There is nothing he can do that Baker cannot.
 
I don't mind drafting a QB this year. BUT I'm completely against drafting for the sake of drafting and passing on elite DL or OL talent in the exact same spot.

THIS is the year we need to change how we draft. We need to stop getting cute and out thinking ourselves, play the board, don't reach, take the players that naturally fall to you. That Tunsil "luck" needs to be our RULE. Not the exception.

When you reach, you don't just destroy that pick. Now you have to draft a replacement player with another pick in another year AND you have to draft a player to the replace the one you IGNORED that was available to you with the original pick.

One bad pick = 3 picks.

How many times do we hear fans complain about who we could have drafted at a certain position in the past? Yet we took some bum player our FO overrated. Now we have a bum on the roster we have to replace and another need at a position we could have filled with Player "X" we all regret not taking.

I hope (and believe) Grier has learned some valuable lessons from those before him and a few on his own watch. I hope this is when he changes how this organization conducts itself during the draft and free agency.
 
I just don't understand why Miami's front office would even put it out there. Unless the media is running with partial information. Why say you want a top 10 pick? It makes no sense and, to your point, the team would have to have the #1 overall pick or #2 overall if you are convinced on another qb other than Tua. To be that bad, the Dolphins would likely have to start Fales or bring in a Mark Sanchez type quarterback.

I actually like Haskins better than Herbert at this point. Lock is intriguing simply because he has a rifle and can make all the throws. He could be a coach killer, though, with his inconsistency. I love Murray, with his build my only real concern. Can he take the pounding?

Perhaps, the front office is putting a smoke screen out there, perhaps not. But, if you are convinced on a quarterback in this draft go for it. If not, build the lines.

Does it really matter what they say? It will be quite easy for everyone to figure out what they’re doing through their actions this offseason anyway. It’s not exactly some covert operation when teams undergo a rebuild.
 
Agree, but what do you think happens if Murray or Lock is there for the taking at #13?
Lock, we pass, Murray it would be extenuating circumstances such as an injury or he's leaning towards baseball, in which case I think we pass. Grier isn't going to pass up a healthy Kyler Murray who wants to play football, that much is clear, but if that's the case, no way he makes it out of the top 5.
 
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They won’t call it tanking or rebuilding or anything really because that talk makes heads explode in the marketing department. And it makes selling tickets really hard. And it affects organizational morale.

But the fact they’re not going to say it doesn’t change the fact they’re going to, well, do it to the extent one can.

And based on sources within and outside the organization, I’m starting to get a picture of what this retreat from win-now might look like.

This:

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article224493950.html

I doubt very much that the Dolphins would be ignorant enough to lose a season on purpose...that is the thinking of uncompetive, never felt what it's like to play, coach a football team, magic from the sky will make us great all of a sudden type people.
 
If it's true that the front office wants a high pick in 2020, I can't disagree with the logic. But I do have to question any coach willing to bet his career here on a rebuild not knowing what groceries are coming.
 
The way to tank is by trading away all vets that are 30 or above for picks. Don't expect high picks in return for most of them but that way you get rid of some horrible contracts like Jones, Branch,Tanny and Kiko if you can find takers.
Forget about Gore, Wake,Hayes or Sitton coming back.....what would be the point? They'd only be taking snaps away from the younger guys.
You have to see what you can get for guys like Stills too.
The big question is, do you trade Howard? One of our best players but he'd also bring the most in return. Of course you'd be looking for two Corners instead of one.

All the others should be easy decisions tho if you really want to build from the bottom up.
Trade guys 30 and above for picks? You are dreaming. No team is giving up a pick for a plus 30 guy unless he is a complete stud.

Let’s hear all the plus 30s on Miami and what you think we could get for them. Good luck.

It ain’t happening.
 
I suppose no one watched the championship game.

If we want an elite QB, 2020 ain't really the year either because tua stunk up the joint. He is NOT worth tanking and wasting a year over. Maybe 2021 w/ Trevor Lawrence...

My point mainly is that a draft/ franchise strategy for TWO WHOLE YEARS is best not crafted around one guy alone. A thing called Life might intervene. A wrecked knee or a freak accident can happen.

How anyone thinks we can logically plan that far out for one guy specifically is beyond me.
 
It makes for 2019 a perfect storm for the Dolphins to acquire a potentially game-changing QB for less than typical value because of the cloud of uncertainty surrounding Murray, and his less than ideal physical makeup.

To me, that equates to value for a team like the Dolphins. Similar to when Laremy Tunsil fell in our laps because he smoked pot. As if 90% of the players in our locker room don't already smoke pot. It was a great value. I see something similar with Murray, and if we only have to move up to 7-10, or hell, not move up at all to get our guy...well, that's a solid move, regardless of whether or not Murray works out or not.

Murray is touted as one of the greatest HS Football players in Texas history. He won the Heisman. He's been playing with his own height restrictions his entire life. It's obviously not something that bothers him and if the NFL scouts let it bother them...well I think it's their loss.
Exactly. I’m on board with either Haskins or Murray at this point. I love that all the attention is heading towards 2020, I hope that most teams take a second rounder in 2020 like it’s a first so we can make a move on Haskins or Murray.
 
As hoops pointed out, the trade up price is going to be astronomical. He actually understated matters. I would say more like 4 first round draft choices to trade up for Tua, and that is only if you are within striking distance.


Hypothetically, should the Dolphins somehow end up with the #1 pick next season -- and your example of 4 1st round picks is spot on -- would you entertain a trade down for the 4 picks?

While this team is in desperate need of a QB, they are also in desperate need of more talent on the whole. Would the additional picks be worth forgoing the top QB who isn't a sure thing either?
 
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