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Trade Back, Then... Trade Back Again...

Flores needed to revamp the D so if the talent is there you take it but after the first pick I don't mind moving down for more picks or future picks.
 
fishfanmiami said:
Flores needed to revamp the D so if the talent is there you take it but after the first pick I don't mind moving down for more picks or future picks.
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I agree with this 99.99999%...as long as a RG/RT is the next pick.
 
Csonked Out said:
Ya this draft is very defensive line top heavy. Draft best one at that point and than acquire picks.
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I think DE is our rd 1 pick. If we could move down a few spots, that might work, but I certainly don't want to bargain shop on a pass rusher. These days a FA JAG is 12 mil a year.

I think you can find interior guys in later rounds.
 
I don't follow the college players other than Miami but this might be a good list to start with at DE

 
russianbear said:
Yea let’s foregoe great talent for more mid round guys because the best coach/QB tandem in the history of the NFL manages to get by alright doing it.

This is an awful idea. We need to stop trying to be the Patriots.
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THANK YOU-TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN

It worked well for us :( with Odrick and Misi
IN THE 2010 DRAFT WHEN WE TRADED BACK.

Losing out on Earl Thomas(6 pro bowls), Jason Pierre-Paul(2 pro bowls-), Mike Iupati(4 pro bowls),Maurkice Pouncey(7 pro bowls),Demaryius Thomas(4 pro bowls),

Odrick and Misi pro bowls combined ZERO-ZILCH-NADA
 
I'm with ya on trading back for next year or two's picks. I'm with ya on drafting OL and DL. So, I'm most of the way there.

But IMHO, you're wrong about Mike Gesicki--he is going to be an excellent TE. Expecting a rookie TE to be instantly good goes against the avalanche of data that says very few of the good TE's are good as rookies. What we saw from Gesicki is that he grew substantially as a blocker, and he had a long ways to go. We also saw that he came in completely lost (as most rookies are) and he prioritized learning the playbook, and again, we saw good progress. We saw a guy whose head was swimming from all of the new information.

Remember, he was recruited as a WR, converted into a TE, and came out early, so he doesn't really have as much experience at the position as most TE's, so his adjustment period was always going to be harder. Unlike Jimmy Graham--his closest match--Gesicki wasn't used as a glorified receiver. So the sheer volume of new information he had to learn and process caused him to play slow and tentative. I can see why you were not impressed with his rookie campaign. But, I'm confident that you'll change your mind. I said as much for a year and a half about Xavien Howard before people believed me. I expect Gesicki will prove my faith too.

Why Flores? Well there is really only one answer I've been able to come up with--that Chris Grier came up with him, knows him personally and is confident in his ability to lead. It's a big risk for someone who doesn't check almost any of the boxes GM's look for in head coaching candidates--little experience as a coordinator, no dramatic difference when he was in charge, no real area of expertise, not the product of a proven coaching tree, not particularly known for being good with QB's, and no success outside of Belichick who is notorious for not teaching his coaches much. To me, what this means is that Chris Grier is really sticking his neck out on this one, and if Brian Flores is unsuccessful, it will likely mean Chris Grier's job as well.
 
miamiron said:
THANK YOU-TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN

It worked well for us :( with Odrick and Misi
IN THE 2010 DRAFT WHEN WE TRADED BACK.

Losing out on Earl Thomas(6 pro bowls), Jason Pierre-Paul(2 pro bowls-), Mike Iupati(4 pro bowls),Maurkice Pouncey(7 pro bowls),Demaryius Thomas(4 pro bowls),

Odrick and Misi pro bowls combined ZERO-ZILCH-NADA
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Yep!!!!
That's why I don't have much faith in us "getting it right", even with a HIGH pick.
 
A trade back could be beneficial especially since Miami has so many needs. Saying that, don't pass on an elite talent if one is there.

I remember hearing Gil Brandt talking about the draft and how, in his evaluation, there are usually roughly 10 players that he considers legit first rounders. That number varies by the draft, but he wasn't a big fan of trading down. On the other hand, it served coaches like Jimmy Johnson pretty well. Just depends who you are passing up and what you end up with.
 
JRYCRL said:
...and if you remember to do so, trade back again.

Take highest rated OLs and DLs and LB every other pick. Would trade completely out of first round if we could land 3 2nd round picks and 3 3rd round picks along with maybe a couple 4ths.

Need quality beef above all else. Offensive skill players are a dime a dozen and wasting them on the Parkers and Geisikis of the world is a colossal waste of a pick a we've seen. Protecting a QB and opening holes for RBs is all that matters. Even if Tannehill is the QB. (Not throwing bubble screens and 5 yards "outs" helps too)

Brady has made careers for guys like Edelman and Hogan because they have time to get open while Brady had 3,4,5,6 seconds to check down and pass to whoever eventually gets open. If you don't think the Patriots would've won the division with Tannehill or Darnold or Allen at QB, you would be wrong. Any QB with that much time and the 3rd option on routes is wide open, will put up numbers and points.

What wasn't particularly impressive about the Pats this year is their D, which begs the ? why Flores?
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I don't mind trading back, but 5 spots max
 
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