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Tua time!
That they did and miamis gonna have to hit some homeruns. That Quentin Nelson pick flipped that o line. No question.
And Leonard is the guy on that defense. Again no question.
Chris Grier your table awaits.
Dolphins Facing Interesting Decisions On Two Veteran Receivers. The Potential Fallout
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That they did and miamis gonna have to hit some homeruns. That Quentin Nelson pick flipped that o line. No question.
And Leonard is the guy on that defense. Again no question.
Chris Grier your table awaits.
1. Parker stinks - goodbye rebuild or not.
2. Amendola is washed up - cut. I don’t care how much veteran presence he brings. He’s now Julius Thomas slow. Also, anyone who bitched about Landry’s 9.9 YPC here while he was on his rookie deal shouldn’t want to see DA back. His YPC is worse and he has zero RAC ability left.
3. Stills - keep. He’s the best WR on the team. He scores TDs. He takes the top off of the D. He’s a pro who takes his craft seriously. And he’s still young and fast.
4. Grant - keep. Love his ability to change the complexion of games with ST returns or a big jet sweep, etc. Plays like he’s a foot taller and 100 pounds heavier. Huge heart.
5. Wilson - keep. Good player. Scheme player more than anything though. Straight up, Stills is the better traditional WR but Wilson is a heck of a playmaker if used the way Gase used him or how he would have been used in KC this year.
6. Carroo - more opportunities please. Let’s see what we have. He Mossed a guy. Not everyone can say that. Give the kid a chance.
7. Everyone else - meh.
2. Amendola is washed up - cut. I don’t care how much veteran presence he brings. He’s now Julius Thomas slow. Also, anyone who bitched about Landry’s 9.9 YPC here while he was on his rookie deal shouldn’t want to see DA back. His YPC is worse and he has zero RAC ability left.
3. Stills - keep. He’s the best WR on the team. He scores TDs. He takes the top off of the D. He’s a pro who takes his craft seriously. And he’s still young and fast.
4. Grant - keep. Love his ability to change the complexion of games with ST returns or a big jet sweep, etc. Plays like he’s a foot taller and 100 pounds heavier. Huge heart.
5. Wilson - keep. Good player. Scheme player more than anything though. Straight up, Stills is the better traditional WR but Wilson is a heck of a playmaker if used the way Gase used him or how he would have been used in KC this year.
6. Carroo - more opportunities please. Let’s see what we have. He Mossed a guy. Not everyone can say that. Give the kid a chance.
7. Everyone else - meh.
phins_4_ever
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For 6 Mill I keep Amendola. I probably extend him another couple years and convert the 6 Mill non-guaranteed into guaranteed and spread it out. He came pretty cheap to us so he probably will accept that.
He is still a good possession receiver. You always need a good possession receiver. I would give Parker one more chance with a new HC, OC and especially with a new QB. Same as with Amendola.
Extend him for 3 years, turn his none guaranteed 9 Mill into guaranteed spread over 3 years.
The one thing we have to realize is that we will have a new QB next year, most likely. I am less willing to rip apart our offense like others are.
phins_4_ever
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I am not sure where this "Amendola is slow" comes from. He was a very quick and very accurate route runner last year.
Amendola isnt slow compared to a one legged man, I'll give you that.
Your opinions on keeping Parker and Amendola are just horrible ideas. Parker will not sign a cheap contract to stay here, he hates the Dolphins and is hurt 80% of every season. Amendola has never played a full season and is SLOW compared to NFL players, this should not even be a discussion, there are D-linemen faster than Amendola for God's sake.
Just because these guys had a Dolphins logo on their helmet does not mean you need to pine for them to stay here. They had their chances and it's time to move on. Were a bottom 3 franchise in the NFL right now and draft picks like Parker and FA signings like ol Amendola are part of what's helped us fall this far from grace.
phins_4_ever
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You lost the argument when you said "Just because these guys had a Dolphins logo on their helmet ..."
I wanted to dump Parker last year and take the 2 Mill cap hit. So don't tell me I base my decision on the logo on their helmets.
If Parker gets paid the big bucks fine, let him go. But otherwise he is a low investment and low risk.
In regards to Amendola I might have worded it wrong (very quick). He is a possession receiver and gets where he has to go and is able to get a few yards extra when he is hit in stride. Also, low risk/low investment. If he demands too much money: good bye.
I am about saving money without creating holes if there are no other options. Just blind cutting without any solutions is the wrong way to go.
I hear you but he didn’t do much after the catch last year. His YPC was lower than Landry’s in his last year here. He just looked slow out there and perhaps didn’t fit the fast break scheme we ran when Grant and Wilson were healthy. I don’t know. He just didn’t feel like a fit / contributed in a meaningful way. $6mm is a lot to pay for a 9 yards per catch guy who has lost a few steps from his Rams days.
Ok I might have read into your thinking the wrong way, I understand your point if we can get them very cheap, yeah I guess your right, but Amendola doesnt have much football left in him and Parker will want more money than hes worth. His agents already started a campaign blaming the Dolphins coaches for his lack of play time and bad stats, in hopes of getting a better offer than he deserves.
Personally if we had to keep one, I'd keep Amendola, at least hes a good guy and can teach/motivate the new guys. Parker has been a total bust.
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And what is Parker for 9m more?
phins_4_ever
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Amendolas numbers from last year are actually pretty steady through throughout the years. His YPC was 9.7. In 4 years with the Rams he only exceeded that once. On the average he was .5 to 1 YPC better in NE but he also had Brady throw to him.
I think the expectations of what Amendola should be (aka wishful thinking) was never based on reality. He is not a downfield receiver and he is not a gamebreaker a la Wilson. He is a steady possession receiver that when you aim for the first down marker he is there.
You also have to understand that we got 8 games of horrific QB play last year (from both QBs combined) and that might have tilted his numbers a little bit.
He is a smart veteran with an excellent work ethic and a crisp route runner. On a team devoid of any kind of possession receiver he is well worth the money. If you go out and replace him in FA you pay more than that. Going with an all out rookie receiving class would be a major mistake.
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Parker will cost you 9 mill. In what world can that happen?
Then again the same organization that extended Kiko Alonso, Byron Maxwell, Andre Branch, TJ McDonald.
Truth is another bust pick. If you’re not good enough for a 5th year option either you’re a headache, injury prone or just suck. Parker is all 3.
Then again the same organization that extended Kiko Alonso, Byron Maxwell, Andre Branch, TJ McDonald.
Truth is another bust pick. If you’re not good enough for a 5th year option either you’re a headache, injury prone or just suck. Parker is all 3.
I said it at the beginning of the season that our entire wide reciever while talented was a mash unit except possibly Wilson. Yep they didn't let me down either including Wilson.
Like Awsi Dooger mentioned there are some scrappy dependable dudes available in the later rounds. Wes Welker Hogan we got for nothing are great examples. Laundry was another he just cost a draft pick scrappy, stayed healthy and set records.
Wilson keep he may be special.
Grant young cheap keep
Stills gets nicked up and if his contract is stacked keep him.
Parker, Danny nope
Marginals
Forde gets nicked up needs to stay healthy
Caroo needs seperation and stay healthy
Butler perhaps if he can improve a bit
Owossu intriging I gonna keep this kid over the other 3 for a few games to see whats he got.
Like Awsi Dooger mentioned there are some scrappy dependable dudes available in the later rounds. Wes Welker Hogan we got for nothing are great examples. Laundry was another he just cost a draft pick scrappy, stayed healthy and set records.
Wilson keep he may be special.
Grant young cheap keep
Stills gets nicked up and if his contract is stacked keep him.
Parker, Danny nope
Marginals
Forde gets nicked up needs to stay healthy
Caroo needs seperation and stay healthy
Butler perhaps if he can improve a bit
Owossu intriging I gonna keep this kid over the other 3 for a few games to see whats he got.
miamiron
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Underwhelming? He had 13 offensive snaps
kinda hard to make that determination on
the snaps he received...He was targeted ONE time
Ray R
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I'm looking forward to how our new coach handles things, such as who he brings in or keeps as staff and how he approaches his player/personnel situations. I think the "ready, fire, aim" approach is self destructive. We should use the "ready, aim, fire" approach.
A lot of where we go in the offseason ties to how our new coach sees the team.
1) He and his new staff need to use his their own analyses of the players we have and determine:
a) Who he feels he has to have released (least useful players).
b) Who he feels he would like to release (not-so useful players)
c) Who he needs a better look at before qualifying their value (current players and new draftees and UDFA's and FA's as they become available)
d) Who he wants to keep (most desirable players)
e) What he feels our most pressing positional needs are going to be.
Once he and his staff have done all of that they are in a position to present what they will be needing to Grier. This information should get to Grier over the entire offseason as opposed to all at once, just before the draft. During that time Grier will should be giving our new coach some ideas about which player information he needs the soonest so he can begin setting up for reducing our cap and getting feelers out about free agent availability and potential trades. This really needs to be a two-way street.
2) After Grier gets the information from our new coach, he will be in a better position to start taking action with players, especially with cap issues where deadlines effect when actions are taken. Then he can start addressing:
a) Continuing work on our cap issues.
b) Making draft, including trade decisions, that can help our new coach implement his playbook.
c) Start examining the free agency market in order to begin making moves that will help the team.
d) Knowing how much money he has available to do all these things.
There is a lot of fluidity concerning many of the changes that will be taking place during the preseason and the better coordinated Grier and our new coach are, the better the results should be.
I don't think they will be paying much attention to our recommendations, but it will be interesting to see where their actions match some of our posters ideas and where they don't.
A lot of where we go in the offseason ties to how our new coach sees the team.
1) He and his new staff need to use his their own analyses of the players we have and determine:
a) Who he feels he has to have released (least useful players).
b) Who he feels he would like to release (not-so useful players)
c) Who he needs a better look at before qualifying their value (current players and new draftees and UDFA's and FA's as they become available)
d) Who he wants to keep (most desirable players)
e) What he feels our most pressing positional needs are going to be.
Once he and his staff have done all of that they are in a position to present what they will be needing to Grier. This information should get to Grier over the entire offseason as opposed to all at once, just before the draft. During that time Grier will should be giving our new coach some ideas about which player information he needs the soonest so he can begin setting up for reducing our cap and getting feelers out about free agent availability and potential trades. This really needs to be a two-way street.
2) After Grier gets the information from our new coach, he will be in a better position to start taking action with players, especially with cap issues where deadlines effect when actions are taken. Then he can start addressing:
a) Continuing work on our cap issues.
b) Making draft, including trade decisions, that can help our new coach implement his playbook.
c) Start examining the free agency market in order to begin making moves that will help the team.
d) Knowing how much money he has available to do all these things.
There is a lot of fluidity concerning many of the changes that will be taking place during the preseason and the better coordinated Grier and our new coach are, the better the results should be.
I don't think they will be paying much attention to our recommendations, but it will be interesting to see where their actions match some of our posters ideas and where they don't.
The QB play is a fair point as compared to getting deflated balls from Brady (had to throw that in there). I just don’t know how much he has left. When we threw the possession routes to Landry you at least felt like he could juke someone or break a tackle. DA is such a poor mans version of that right now albeit a lot cheaper. Still, I don’t know if that’s worth $6mil. I had really hoped we’d see more Carroo - and that he could develop into that kind of big bodied go to guy. We’ll see. I do think DA will be back if Flores is HC.