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Tannehill To Bengals A Possibility

I was on board forever... I thought it was the lack of talent around him...I thought it has to be the coaching or lack thereof..... until I realized how many players were brought in and all the coaching changes in the past 7 years.... it seemed like the team was changing everything they could to put a winning team together ( even if I disagreed with some of the players or coaches, at least, the team was trying....

The one constant, to me, was the QB..... he couldn't (didn't) ever become the difference maker needed.... time to shake the blanket and move on.... Thill may be a starter somewhere else but IMO he is just a very good back up.... the HC and OC and QB need to be in lock step.... this has never happened with Tannehill.... for whatever reason
 
Danny said:
If this is true Jax won't be looking for a QB in the draft


Do you live in Jax Bro??

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1010 XL Jacksonville's Hays Carlyon believes the hiring of OC John DeFilippo "strengthens the possibility" of the Jaguars "making an aggressive play" for Nick Foles.

Foles will have plenty of suitors once he and the Eagles decide the best course of action for him. One thing seems certain -- Foles is highly unlikely to remain in Philly after the Eagles again committed to Carson Wentz as their quarterback. DeFilippo was Foles' position coach in 2017 with the Eagles when they won the Super Bowl on Foles' back. The Jaguars' obvious top need is finding a quarterback. Blake Bortles and his $21 million cap hit are on the way out the door.
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I’ve seen some pretty decent looking o line talent at the senior bowl practices this week for whoever the qb will be in 2019. But it might also be that I’ve seen some pretty underwhelming d line talent in those same practices too.
 
Kdawg954 said:
A QB does more to influence the play of his offensive line than any scheme or personnel adjustment can do. That in itself is lost amongst Tannehill advocates. NE throws 3rd stringers on that line and the unit performs higher than we can ever aspire.

That is the QB at work. The argument of QB X would be crap in Miami because of the OLine has always been a very shortsighted argument.

That being said, this seems like the perfect draft to build up the OLine and the front 7 and that is the direction I would take.

A great QB can hide deficiencies but you are absolutely right, great or good or even average, a QB stands a better chance with competence around him . . . And we haven’t had that with any consistency in a long time.

Grier is in a tough spot. He needs a QB, and no matter what we feel, if any of these guys, particularly Haskins or Murray, gives him any conviction that they can lead this team to great things, you have to do what you can to add them to the roster. This decision will define his tenure as the Head of Operations.

Just don’t add a QB with urgency for the sake of adding one . . . . .too much damn talent at vital team building positions for that nonsense.
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Im now willing to accept this fully and concede, wether he was badly coached from the get go or whatever is now irrelevent. This ship has sailed and its time to move on.

I also fully support building the OL to be a top 10 unit in the NFL. I dont care how they go at it, they need to get it done... With the price of QBs these days and the advantage of having competent QBs on rookie contracts, you need to make sure they are set up to succeed. Giving them premium pass protection is paramount. They've already got the hardest spot to fill on the unit, just pay the guy and surround him with solid talent. Its been way to long.
 
mwestberry said:
I was on board forever... I thought it was the lack of talent around him...I thought it has to be the coaching or lack thereof..... until I realized how many players were brought in and all the coaching changes in the past 7 years.... it seemed like the team was changing everything they could to put a winning team together ( even if I disagreed with some of the players or coaches, at least, the team was trying....

The one constant, to me, was the QB..... he couldn't (didn't) ever become the difference maker needed.... time to shake the blanket and move on.... Thill may be a starter somewhere else but IMO he is just a very good back up.... the HC and OC and QB need to be in lock step.... this has never happened with Tannehill.... for whatever reason
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He is not a backup. Half the league cannot make the throws he can. His accuracy in tight spots is pretty elite. His ability to hit receivers while he is on the move is elite. His running ability as a QB was top notch prior to injury. No one can deny he was never the difference maker we needed but there are a number of factors that contribute to that. Even Aaron Rodgers struggles to carry his team these days. Its a different NFL, the top teams are stacked and have great coaches. Miami has never had that under 17.
 
CaSh said:
He is not a backup. Half the league cannot make the throws he can. His accuracy in tight spots is pretty elite. His ability to hit receivers while he is on the move is elite. His running ability as a QB was top notch prior to injury. No one can deny he was never the difference maker we needed but there are a number of factors that contribute to that. Even Aaron Rodgers struggles to carry his team these days. Its a different NFL, the top teams are stacked and have great coaches. Miami has never had that under 17.
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I agree with you, he is not a backup. I agree with you that his arm talent is probably top10 easily.

But he is bottom 5 in elusiveness, pocket awareness, and feel/movement in the pocket.

When you combine everything, he ends up being a QB that will rank somewhere between top20-30... starting caliber, for sure, but you're not going to win with him consistently (which truthfully is hard to do in this league). Tannehill is an okay quarterback, but it's simply time we start planning to move forward.
 
volk said:
You can’t take the kind of abuse Tannehill took year after year and not be impacted by it both physically and mentally. That he was able to play as many games as he did is a testament to his toughness. The biggest mystery to me, was the lack of scrambling and rushing attempts. He has tremendous talent throwing on the run, and as a converted WR, he was capable of getting actual chunk plays on the run as well. Somewhere along the line, it was like either the coaching staff or Ryan himself just became completely unwilling to use his legs. If they had just established his run game as a viable threat, it would have been so much harder for opposing defenses to just pin their ears back and rush every down.

Looking at it objectively, he was the wrong pick for the Dolphins because they had not the game plan, nor the talent to maximize Tannehill’s strengths. They drafted the least experienced QB and put him on a team with poor coaching (which lead to lots of turmoil and turnover on the coaching staff), almost no offensive talent and put turnstiles on the offensive line. To top it off, when Tannehill did put up great play, the defense would melt down.

This is not to say RT has no blame in what happened. Ryan still has plenty of holes in his game, but in hindsight, the situation was actually doomed from the start. Maybe another team with a much better staff can undo some of the damage and give him a good opportunity to be successful, but it certainly is not going to happen in Miami.
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This is a GREAT post that really sums it up best. I really wish Miami had passed on RT, both for his sake and the fans.
 
LoneStarPhin said:
This is a GREAT post that really sums it up best. I really wish Miami had passed on RT, both for his sake and the fans.
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For his sake? You think if he got drafted anywhere except Miami he gets paid as much as he does? Any other team never would have renewed his contract and they wouldn’t have put up with 7 years of below average qb play. It was a “blessing” for him to be drafted here.
 
Yes, great guy, tough as nails, total pro, but i don't feel bad...he'll be alright and made a fortune
 
CoryMatthews said:
For his sake? You think if he got drafted anywhere except Miami he gets paid as much as he does? Any other team never would have renewed his contract and they wouldn’t have put up with 7 years of below average qb play. It was a “blessing” for him to be drafted here.
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And to have gone uncontested after 7 years, even after entering 2 straight offseason coming off a season ending injury . . .earning a restructure in the process that fattened his pockets early.

Blessing indeed.

But this is how some of his staunchest defenders cope with all of this so you just have to laugh at it all.

The Miami Tannehills . . . .a reality for some lol
 
Kdawg954 said:
And to have gone uncontested after 7 years, even after entering 2 straight offseason coming off a season ending injury . . .earning a restructure in the process that fattened his pockets early.

Blessing indeed.

But this is how some of his staunchest defenders cope with all of this so you just have to laugh at it all.

The Miami Tannehills . . . .a reality for some lol
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Right. Tannehill got paid a lot of money here with no competition. Tannehill also got beaten down regularly here and was setup to fail from the beginning. Why is it so strange to to say he would have been better off being drafted by a different team?

No one can deny his arm talent and athleticism. Why is it not possible that he may have been very successful if drafted by another team and been developed by another coaching staff?

I know he has made a lot of money, but certainly there are bigger goals for most players than just a paycheck, and there is no denying that the physical abuse in Miami has impacted the possible length of his career.
 
volk said:
Right. Tannehill got paid a lot of money here with no competition. Tannehill also got beaten down regularly here and was setup to fail from the beginning. Why is it so strange to to say he would have been better off being drafted by a different team?

No one can deny his arm talent and athleticism. Why is it not possible that he may have been very successful if drafted by another team and been developed by another coaching staff?

I know he has made a lot of money, but certainly there are bigger goals for most players than just a paycheck, and there is no denying that the physical abuse in Miami has impacted the possible length of his career.
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The physical abuse is his own fault. He doesn’t have intelligence or feel to play the qb position. He was never going to be successful anywhere he went.

You think Brady was given a ton of resources in New England being drafted in the 6th round. No he just actually had the drive to be a great qb. Tannehill has never shown any drive and is just happy to collect his paycheck. He has never been held accountable for anything in his life. It’s never his fault.
 
volk said:
Right. Tannehill got paid a lot of money here with no competition. Tannehill also got beaten down regularly here and was setup to fail from the beginning. Why is it so strange to to say he would have been better off being drafted by a different team?

No one can deny his arm talent and athleticism. Why is it not possible that he may have been very successful if drafted by another team and been developed by another coaching staff?

I know he has made a lot of money, but certainly there are bigger goals for most players than just a paycheck, and there is no denying that the physical abuse in Miami has impacted the possible length of his career.
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Physical abuse that he would of taken anywhere because he does a poor job of improvising and getting rid of the football.

He is very complicit in the abuse he has taken.

And I have to say, I watched quite a bit of football this year . . . .there are A LOT of tough quarterbacks out there and there is A LOT of arm talent throughout the leauge. Tannehill is not even top 10 when I think of “athletic” QBs but the notion around here is that he is elite in all of these areas.

He isn’t.

He has enough physical talent to be a definitive starting QB . . . But the mental side once the ball is snapped is just not where it needs to be.
 
He is not a back up qb is right. He's a starter, for a team that will be average, to below average every year.
 
Atila said:
I agree with you, he is not a backup. I agree with you that his arm talent is probably top10 easily.

But he is bottom 5 in elusiveness, pocket awareness, and feel/movement in the pocket.

When you combine everything, he ends up being a QB that will rank somewhere between top20-30... starting caliber, for sure, but you're not going to win with him consistently (which truthfully is hard to do in this league). Tannehill is an okay quarterback, but it's simply time we start planning to move forward.
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