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Big Payday Near, Ja'wuan James Will See How Much Dolphins Value Him

My guess is that he tries to get as much as he possibly can because that's the smart career decision. Every player should do that.

Exactly. An extra million or two might sound like greed to a home fan, but think of what it equates to in real world perspective. That can be an investment that is contemplated and desired but not mandatory, like real estate in a promising area or getting involved in a business venture with post-football possibilities. It can be a home for a relative..changing the life of that family.

That second contract is so pivotal from a life standpoint I always want the player to win and win huge.

The corporation whines and whines. Meanwhile they have countless ways to offset or make it back, while the player has none, not on that level or likely ever again.
 
Yeah but they shouldn’t get so upset when not offered the biggest contract in history like every player seems to get now.

I'm not sure who you are referring to. I've only seen players trying to get as much as they can in the relatively short time that they can get it. Then there are the fans, who have something emotionally invested in the team, getting upset that the players don't have that same undying devotion.
 
As much as I hate his inconsistency, I really can't advocate for opening up yet another gaping hole. I would cut the rest of our dead weight and then we will have plenty of cap space left to sign James and Howard this offseason. Get our bookends set for the next 3-5 yrs, and draft/sign an above avg C to man the middle. On top of that, someone mentioned Tua (I think it was Tua) is a lefty, and the right side then becomes the blind side blocker and is of even more importance.
This is the problem w building through the draft. Four years goes by fast. As the player enters his prime, you can no longer afford him. I’d love to know what %age of players remain w the team that drafted them after their rookie deal expires. I bet it’s surprisingly low - especially if you can isolate it to starters which I know would be hard to do.
 
Exactly. An extra million or two might sound like greed to a home fan, but think of what it equates to in real world perspective. That can be an investment that is contemplated and desired but not mandatory, like real estate in a promising area or getting involved in a business venture with post-football possibilities. It can be a home for a relative..changing the life of that family.

That second contract is so pivotal from a life standpoint I always want the player to win and win huge.

The corporation whines and whines. Meanwhile they have countless ways to offset or make it back, while the player has none, not on that level or likely ever again.

And you're talking 10-15 years to earn as much as they can before that disappears, and that's only if they are good enough and lucky enough to continue playing in the league for that long and without serious injury.

I don't understand the vitriol towards players. Except Greg Hardy and the like, of course.
 
Hope we keep him, but as others have said, only at a reasonable price. Would be nice to see how he does staying healthy with better coaching.
 
Dont understand? They CHOSE a career in football, knew the risks. No average joe gets guaranteed money at their job. What happens if YOU get layed off today?

Plus, they went to college, right? Use your degree and make $80,000 at a desk all week and then realize that 5 million a year without guarantees, for 16 hours of football, is far better option.
 
Agreed that with all the immediate and long-term health pitfalls, any player should get what they can. However, that's not necessarily reconcilable with the priorities of an individual team, in this instance the Fins. Just because the market based on availability might dictate he gets paid like a top 5 guard doesn't mean he's even close to being that.. or that it makes sense for the Fins in their present iteration to pony up that money IMO.
 
Offer him a fair deal. Top 5 RT contract considering the UDFA status and the rising cap.

That is how we should value him.

But my gut says that fair deal won't be enough to keep James. He may try to reset the RT market and honestly, he might be right, some team will bite.

Up to him if he wants to stay at that point.
You and I tend to think along the same lines....many have been singing his praises but a "big pay day" ….I would pass or at least be hesitant.....like you said, a fair deal (which I don't know what that is) will probably not be enough to keep him.
 
I think a deal that is around 7.5-8mil per year, over 4-6 years is fair.
With around ~40% of the deal guaranteed.
So, a 5 year deal at 40mil, and 16 GTD would be a good deal for both sides.

8 per would have him next to Morgan Moses.
7.5 is between La'el collins and Hubbard.

Cap hit if I'm looking at it right could be as low as 5mil the first year, with it ballooning up towards the later years where he could be cut with little dead cap.

I would prefer to have a younger guy on an ELC to take over but at the same time there's a lot of holes on the line and well he's decent to good at times.
 
Right Tackle Bobbie Massie just signed a
4 year extension with the Giants, some saying at $8 million a year
not sure on the specifics but I'm thinking James should
be close to those numbers... Opinions?

When looking at the top average salaries for right tackles in 2019, Massie is set to be among the top paid at the position if he sits around $8 million a year. Philadelphia's Lane Johnson is listed at the top for average salary in 2019 at the right tackle position at $11,252,000. Detroit Lions right tight Ricky Wagner ($9.5 million) is followed by Oakland Raiders right tackle Donald Penn ($9.35 million) and Los Angeles Rams right tackle Rob Havenstein ($8.125 million).
 
In the past I have not been Ju'Wuan James' biggest fan. My rationale is two-fold, 1) he isn't very good in the run game, 2) he isn't very reliable.

Every discussion of James begins with his pass protection, which is OK … not great like people seem to think, but OK. It's a lot easier being a RT than a LT and James is sometimes very good, and sometimes not … which leads me to my other concern, dependability. James picks up nagging injuries and loses time to those and underperforms for stretches when playing through them or recovering from them. It's understandable … but it's also not reliable.

As Parcells was always fond of noting, the most important ability is availability. James isn't injury-prone, and he doesn't miss huge chunks of seasons like Mike Pouncey did, but even while on his rookie contract James seems to miss games every year and play poorly for stretches usually because he is playing through nagging injury recovery. But whatever the reason, we need a guy who can get the job done, and inconsistency is not how you build a young QB's confidence.

The first 5 years of an OL's career are likely to be their healthiest, and as they age they're likely to get injured more often. That's just the nature of the game. James is already having lots of little injuries. Nothing big and scary long term, but they keep happening to the point where I don't trust his health and reliability. Couple that with the fact he is poor in the run game and I'm just not that impressed. Right Tackles aren't that hard to find, so unless he is actually good, I'm not prepared to pay a premium.

IMHO, if we're tanking, this is the perfect opportunity to let him walk, let him get his big paycheck, tank, and replace him with a young OL who is better, cheaper, or both. When a new coach comes in, he gets rid of the veterans. End of contract and a difficult and expensive gamble on an average player … looks like the ideal time to move on from that veteran. Not being callous, because I think it's going to happen to the vast majority of veterans who present no special value or dead-cap penalties.
 
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