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2019 Potential Cuts: Edge Rusher

We need to hit in on the draft on a DE or 2 in the WORST way. If you can’t draft them you paying a huge amount in FA for a possible fit- ie see OV.
 
I don't see how saying he was one of the 10 highest paid DE's in the NFL last year is looking into the past. Sure in a couple of years his salary will probably look small in comparison but saying he is dirty cheap right now is inaccurate. Khalil Mack set the market as a DPOY winner/candidate and top 5 defensive player in the NFL. When JJ Watt set the market back in 2014 with his $16.6 million a year contract which was previously set by Mario Williams in 2012 at $16 million it wasn't until 4 years later in 2016 that 2 more DE's eclipsed $16 million a year. Khalil Mack may have gotten a record breaking contract this year but that doesn't mean it's going to be the new standard anytime soon.

Graham is only 2 years older than Quinn so if you're going to say Graham is old now at 31 than Quinn is not far off at 29. Besides maybe HB there is no-position where a 2 year gap in age would greatly affect interest and value in a player . Not to mention Graham has played 47 games in the last 3 years while Quinn has played 38 making him more of a risk. Also Calais Campbell signed a 4 year $60 million contract at age 31.
Dirt cheap migh be exagerated a tad, but I get what he means. Teams arent going to compare his salary against other DEs this season or last season. They're most likely to compare his salary against what it would cost to aquire a similar player on the FA market... Pass rushing DEs are the 2nd most expensive position in the NFL so you're bound to seriously overpay on the open market... IMO
 
If the Dolphins want to suck/go to a 3-4 base then cut Quinn and Branch ASAP.
Roll the capspace to 2020.
 
Dirt cheap migh be exagerated a tad, but I get what he means. Teams arent going to compare his salary against other DEs this season or last season. They're most likely to compare his salary against what it would cost to aquire a similar player on the FA market... Pass rushing DEs are the 2nd most expensive position in the NFL so you're bound to seriously overpay on the open market... IMO
That's why I'm in favor of a DE in rd1. It's difficult to speculate on the type of player, because we don't know, exactly, what scene(s) Flores will ultimately use.

I do knowcFA pass rushers are costly.
 
This is a good time to switch D philosophies. This draft is a good draft for D. And if you truly embrace a rebuild plan, you can ignore O skill positions.

If those remember how Jimmy built our great D, he invested heavily in his first two drafts and that D became legit almost instantly . If you can commit your entire draft resources to one primary goal, you can overhaul an entire unit in one year.

And Grier has the anonomity of a stated rebuild and a coach with a 5 year contract. If he is smart he completely embraces the tank and rebuilds the D and OL before addressing the QB.

Drafting a QB now destroys that opportunity. All of these "Murray" questions have no devotion to a plan. It's not just the opportunity to add an unplanned player that is in question. It is devotion to a stated plan and goal.

The Murray fans need to step further back away from the ledge and ask a more fundamental question:

Have we failed because we haven't had a QB? Or

Have we failed because we have not had real leadership?

If you understand winning starts at the top then you understand that looking for reasons to divert from a plan is the precise reason we are here.

Real leadership sticks to a plan. That is the purpose of planning.

We have allowed media and opinions become substitutes for logic and real decision making.

We have become so responsive to feedback and opinion that we cannot identity difficult decision making skills that require sacrificing the immediate result for long term stability.

Make the plan. Execute the plan. Stop worrying about distractions.

Stop worrying about Super Bowls. Stop worrying about Championships.

Start worrying about planning and leadership. If we truly embrace changing philosophies and stop microwaving our hopes and dreams, winning and success follow.

QBs and players are details. Success needs a plan.
 
This is a good time to switch D philosophies. This draft is a good draft for D. And if you truly embrace a rebuild plan, you can ignore O skill positions.

If those remember how Jimmy built our great D, he invested heavily in his first two drafts and that D became legit almost instantly . If you can commit your entire draft resources to one primary goal, you can overhaul an entire unit in one year.

And Grier has the anonomity of a stated rebuild and a coach with a 5 year contract. If he is smart he completely embraces the tank and rebuilds the D and OL before addressing the QB.

Drafting a QB now destroys that opportunity. All of these "Murray" questions have no devotion to a plan. It's not just the opportunity to add an unplanned player that is in question. It is devotion to a stated plan and goal.

The Murray fans need to step further back away from the ledge and ask a more fundamental question:

Have we failed because we haven't had a QB? Or

Have we failed because we have not had real leadership?

If you understand winning starts at the top then you understand that looking for reasons to divert from a plan is the precise reason we are here.

Real leadership sticks to a plan. That is the purpose of planning.

We have allowed media and opinions become substitutes for logic and real decision making.

We have become so responsive to feedback and opinion that we cannot identity difficult decision making skills that require sacrificing the immediate result for long term stability.

Make the plan. Execute the plan. Stop worrying about distractions.

Stop worrying about Super Bowls. Stop worrying about Championships.

Start worrying about planning and leadership. If we truly embrace changing philosophies and stop microwaving our hopes and dreams, winning and success follow.

QBs and players are details. Success needs a plan.

Sometimes I grow weary of those posting A (singular) need, as if the others don't matter. Say, for sake of argument, we could have Murray or Wentz or Goff AND the HC was either FistPump, Philbin, or Gase and their roster. Would that QB reach his potential? Absolutely not.

Don't misunderstand. I'm NOT saying Bortles or Henne would be All-Pro with a good HC. The QB matters quite a bit. My point is, 'get your QB and playoffs in '20' is an argument for the naive. Good teams have a good QB, AND a good HC, AND a good supporting cast.

QB is so important, I see no debate about that. The debate is on the edges. Get the QB this year or '20? Both sides want a top QB. 'Sell the farm' or 'save picks in case 'our savior' ends up being JAG?' Both sides want a top QB. The debate over which QB to take is still a goal to get the best.

Soon fans will get a hint what 'the plan' is. There will be mental explosions if Quinn or James are retained. But, that's the plan. Staying in a 4-3 will be 'the last straw' for some. Building an OL and getting a QB in '20 will be a sign of insanity to some. It doesn't matter. Flores is the guy and HIS plan is the one that counts. Until this summer, it's all about the plan and execution.
 
Sometimes I grow weary of those posting A (singular) need, as if the others don't matter. Say, for sake of argument, we could have Murray or Wentz or Goff AND the HC was either FistPump, Philbin, or Gase and their roster. Would that QB reach his potential? Absolutely not.

Don't misunderstand. I'm NOT saying Bortles or Henne would be All-Pro with a good HC. The QB matters quite a bit. My point is, 'get your QB and playoffs in '20' is an argument for the naive. Good teams have a good QB, AND a good HC, AND a good supporting cast.

QB is so important, I see no debate about that. The debate is on the edges. Get the QB this year or '20? Both sides want a top QB. 'Sell the farm' or 'save picks in case 'our savior' ends up being JAG?' Both sides want a top QB. The debate over which QB to take is still a goal to get the best.

Soon fans will get a hint what 'the plan' is. There will be mental explosions if Quinn or James are retained. But, that's the plan. Staying in a 4-3 will be 'the last straw' for some. Building an OL and getting a QB in '20 will be a sign of insanity to some. It doesn't matter. Flores is the guy and HIS plan is the one that counts. Until this summer, it's all about the plan and execution.

It goes without saying that we are all probably going to be dissapointed with some move at some time.

But the regime can't really be criticized in it's first year moves until the product is on the field. And on the field means not just players but all of it; cap room, contracts/signings, picks. No mater what they are in the moment, we gotta back the moves.

First offseason, first vision and we have a long road ahead of us. Basically, we're all just going to have to chill out, be cool, and take the ride. Because we're not going to "know" for a good while.
 
Quinn was a big disappointment, but I think there's a chance he's back next year. You just can't replace every position in one offseason, even during a rebuild.
 
I strongly disagree about Quinn's trade value. He may very well end up the highest graded edge rusher on the market.

There are some elite edge rushers who are UFA's this spring but everyone of them is going to get a new deal or franchised. The teams have been pretty open about their intentions.

Frank Clark,Dee Ford,DeMarcus Lawrence,JaDevon Clowney, and others will not hit the open market this year.

This is, of course, all the more reason for the Dolphins to stick with their plan and load up for next year when a few of these edge rushers may actually hit the open market.

This year's free agent market for edge rushers should absolutely suck!!

Therefore, I speculate that Quinn has trade value, especially in view of the contracts premiere edge rushers are getting these days. 13 mil is dirt cheap in view of these contracts in the plus 20 mil a year range.

Quinn coming off of a disappointing season where he was basically invisible means that his value will likely be lower than the 4th rounder we traded him for last year. Maybe they could get a 4th for him, but a team probably wouldn't like paying that amount of money for an edge rusher who hasn't sniffed double digit sacks in a season since 2014.
 
Quinn was a big disappointment, but I think there's a chance he's back next year. You just can't replace every position in one offseason, even during a rebuild.

Idk, I could see Miami cutting him and then rolling over a large amount of cap to next season. I don't think a player getting 6.5 sacks in a season is anything to write home about, especially at that salary.

Why not put Charles Harris in his spot? Younger player with a lot to prove still and a year where nobody is expecting the team to do much. If Harris does well, you found a player you can have going into the future, if not, he's cut next year and it really doesn't impact the long-term.
 
I think the article is spot on in terms of it being a litmus test as to how serious we are about a rebuild.

Before the owner talked in the aftermath of firing Gase, I think it was close to a no brainer to bring the guy back for next year, we wouldn't find similar talent FA for much less than the money he is due and we had too many other needs throughout the team to create another hole that needed to be filled. However since our stated policy is not to win short term, then the focus needs to be on finding those players you want to build your team around and Quinn unfortunately is not one of them.

Branch is as obvious a cut as you could see. I would love OV back home but if can't get on the field anymore and we are in this rebuild mode, there seems little point exploring that again.
 
I definitely think we move on from Quinn. To me it's not even a discussion. He's old, fading, expensive, and not the type of guy a new coach with a youth movement would want post-tank.

But, Quinn wasn't that bad. He was more hit and miss, with significant stretches where he was making a lot of pressures, just not quite finishing with the sacks like he used to do. He's still got some pass rush left in the tank … but it will not be with the Dolphins.
 
Why would Atlanta trade Beasley?


Pass bad fit for multiple fronts

Headed towards situational rusher territory at a fast clip

Dump quinn tell wake to chase the ring bring back Woodard and bring harris to camp. Harris provided we actually find multiple front size at de might be a situational rusher or maybe he’s cut or traded in camp even for peanuts.

Multiple fronts edge/de is the obvious hole in the defense right now. Likely to try and remedy it in the draft. If we don’t put all our eggs in a qb

Problem with us going multiple is we need size at de just to handle poa ask etc and that’s separate from most guys that have the size and poa play ability lack in the outside shoulder edge rush win aspect.

So you have high potential unless the scheme does a lot of the pass rush driving of drafting frame guys who don’t impact the qb consistently enough.

Which can make for bad draft value with early picks.

But miami needs bodies just to run multiple fronts let alone pass rush out of them
 
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