Thanks... I don’t follow Atlanta and I thought I remembered an all pro year.
My pleasure. Don't remember if he made All Pro, but he led the league in sacks, so you're probably right.
Thanks... I don’t follow Atlanta and I thought I remembered an all pro year.
Dirt cheap migh be exagerated a tad, but I get what he means. Teams arent going to compare his salary against other DEs this season or last season. They're most likely to compare his salary against what it would cost to aquire a similar player on the FA market... Pass rushing DEs are the 2nd most expensive position in the NFL so you're bound to seriously overpay on the open market... IMOI don't see how saying he was one of the 10 highest paid DE's in the NFL last year is looking into the past. Sure in a couple of years his salary will probably look small in comparison but saying he is dirty cheap right now is inaccurate. Khalil Mack set the market as a DPOY winner/candidate and top 5 defensive player in the NFL. When JJ Watt set the market back in 2014 with his $16.6 million a year contract which was previously set by Mario Williams in 2012 at $16 million it wasn't until 4 years later in 2016 that 2 more DE's eclipsed $16 million a year. Khalil Mack may have gotten a record breaking contract this year but that doesn't mean it's going to be the new standard anytime soon.
Graham is only 2 years older than Quinn so if you're going to say Graham is old now at 31 than Quinn is not far off at 29. Besides maybe HB there is no-position where a 2 year gap in age would greatly affect interest and value in a player . Not to mention Graham has played 47 games in the last 3 years while Quinn has played 38 making him more of a risk. Also Calais Campbell signed a 4 year $60 million contract at age 31.
That's why I'm in favor of a DE in rd1. It's difficult to speculate on the type of player, because we don't know, exactly, what scene(s) Flores will ultimately use.Dirt cheap migh be exagerated a tad, but I get what he means. Teams arent going to compare his salary against other DEs this season or last season. They're most likely to compare his salary against what it would cost to aquire a similar player on the FA market... Pass rushing DEs are the 2nd most expensive position in the NFL so you're bound to seriously overpay on the open market... IMO
LOL that's a really great picture of ZachPurge. Right the cap.
This is a good time to switch D philosophies. This draft is a good draft for D. And if you truly embrace a rebuild plan, you can ignore O skill positions.
If those remember how Jimmy built our great D, he invested heavily in his first two drafts and that D became legit almost instantly . If you can commit your entire draft resources to one primary goal, you can overhaul an entire unit in one year.
And Grier has the anonomity of a stated rebuild and a coach with a 5 year contract. If he is smart he completely embraces the tank and rebuilds the D and OL before addressing the QB.
Drafting a QB now destroys that opportunity. All of these "Murray" questions have no devotion to a plan. It's not just the opportunity to add an unplanned player that is in question. It is devotion to a stated plan and goal.
The Murray fans need to step further back away from the ledge and ask a more fundamental question:
Have we failed because we haven't had a QB? Or
Have we failed because we have not had real leadership?
If you understand winning starts at the top then you understand that looking for reasons to divert from a plan is the precise reason we are here.
Real leadership sticks to a plan. That is the purpose of planning.
We have allowed media and opinions become substitutes for logic and real decision making.
We have become so responsive to feedback and opinion that we cannot identity difficult decision making skills that require sacrificing the immediate result for long term stability.
Make the plan. Execute the plan. Stop worrying about distractions.
Stop worrying about Super Bowls. Stop worrying about Championships.
Start worrying about planning and leadership. If we truly embrace changing philosophies and stop microwaving our hopes and dreams, winning and success follow.
QBs and players are details. Success needs a plan.
Sometimes I grow weary of those posting A (singular) need, as if the others don't matter. Say, for sake of argument, we could have Murray or Wentz or Goff AND the HC was either FistPump, Philbin, or Gase and their roster. Would that QB reach his potential? Absolutely not.
Don't misunderstand. I'm NOT saying Bortles or Henne would be All-Pro with a good HC. The QB matters quite a bit. My point is, 'get your QB and playoffs in '20' is an argument for the naive. Good teams have a good QB, AND a good HC, AND a good supporting cast.
QB is so important, I see no debate about that. The debate is on the edges. Get the QB this year or '20? Both sides want a top QB. 'Sell the farm' or 'save picks in case 'our savior' ends up being JAG?' Both sides want a top QB. The debate over which QB to take is still a goal to get the best.
Soon fans will get a hint what 'the plan' is. There will be mental explosions if Quinn or James are retained. But, that's the plan. Staying in a 4-3 will be 'the last straw' for some. Building an OL and getting a QB in '20 will be a sign of insanity to some. It doesn't matter. Flores is the guy and HIS plan is the one that counts. Until this summer, it's all about the plan and execution.
I strongly disagree about Quinn's trade value. He may very well end up the highest graded edge rusher on the market.
There are some elite edge rushers who are UFA's this spring but everyone of them is going to get a new deal or franchised. The teams have been pretty open about their intentions.
Frank Clark,Dee Ford,DeMarcus Lawrence,JaDevon Clowney, and others will not hit the open market this year.
This is, of course, all the more reason for the Dolphins to stick with their plan and load up for next year when a few of these edge rushers may actually hit the open market.
This year's free agent market for edge rushers should absolutely suck!!
Therefore, I speculate that Quinn has trade value, especially in view of the contracts premiere edge rushers are getting these days. 13 mil is dirt cheap in view of these contracts in the plus 20 mil a year range.
Quinn was a big disappointment, but I think there's a chance he's back next year. You just can't replace every position in one offseason, even during a rebuild.
Why would Atlanta trade Beasley?