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Dolphins Interested In Jacoby Brissett (???)

It’s a viable hedge if they fail to get a QB this year...or Even if they draft a rookie who may not be ready right away...or he’s a good backup...either way he makes sense along with Flores and O’Shea’s familiarity with him.
 
If he's not going to cost us much to acquire, fair enough, give him a shot but I'm not sure he would develop into a true franchise quarterback. He's a solid enough short term starter and a good backup, but no more than that, but I'd like to be wrong.

But we are drafting someone to develop for a year like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, we could always save our draft picks and start Tannehill for a year then cut/trade him next off season, or sign a free agent like Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick or Teddy Bridgewater to be the bridge quarterback.

No point wasting picks on a bridge quarterback. Only time we trade is if we belief we are getting our guy and I don't see Brissett being good enough. I could understand trading for Foles, but not so much Brissett.
 
I would give 5th or 6 th rd for Jacoby Brissett he is alright. I would rather draft young qb in 3rd Grier or Stidham. give one of them chance and see if I can get luck. if I do nt draft one of 3 1st rd top qb.
 
I would like to see him here because I don't want to watch lousy blatant losing football. Brissett is competent if nothing else
 
Jacoby Brissett is just good enough to lose...consistently.

The best the Patriots ever made him look was when they turned him into a Tebow-esque non-throwing quarterback against the Houston Texans in 2016. The following week they asked him to actually drop back and be a passer against the Buffalo Bills, and he repaid the New England Patriots with their first shutout since Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor stole Tom Brady's signals in 2006.

It's no wonder the following season the Patriots did something very un-Patriots-like. They dumped him with THREE CHEAP YEARS remaining on his contract. And they did it for a 1st round bust who has been their 4th wide receiver on the depth chart. It was a modern day version of the old John Avery-for-Marcus Nash trade.

So Jacoby Brissett starts in 2017 and he goes 4-11, leads the 30th ranked offense (in both points and yardage), has one of the worst QBRs in the league, low passer rating, one of the worst PFF ratings, consensus agreement by all analytical measurement systems that he was just plain bad.

He took 51 sacks and where everyone just assumed that was because of an awful offensive line, some of those same players were part of next year's top-rated pass protecting line. Odd, isn't it? Well, not THAT odd when you see that Jacoby Brissett had one of the longest time to throw averages in the league, and one of the poorest Sacks per Pressure figures in the league. HE made the offensive line look a lot worse than it was, and the offense suffered for it. The next year they change the QB and suddenly the OL looks amazing, the offense becomes the 5th/7th best in the NFL.

Listen if we want to Tank for Tua we don't need to buy other teams' garbage. We've got garbage of our own we can use, a lot cheaper.
 
Jacoby Brissett is just good enough to lose...consistently.

The best the Patriots ever made him look was when they turned him into a Tebow-esque non-throwing quarterback against the Houston Texans in 2016. The following week they asked him to actually drop back and be a passer against the Buffalo Bills, and he repaid the New England Patriots with their first shutout since Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor stole Tom Brady's signals in 2006.

It's no wonder the following season the Patriots did something very un-Patriots-like. They dumped him with THREE CHEAP YEARS remaining on his contract. And they did it for a 1st round bust who has been their 4th wide receiver on the depth chart. It was a modern day version of the old John Avery-for-Marcus Nash trade.

So Jacoby Brissett starts in 2017 and he goes 4-11, leads the 30th ranked offense (in both points and yardage), has one of the worst QBRs in the league, low passer rating, one of the worst PFF ratings, consensus agreement by all analytical measurement systems that he was just plain bad.

He took 51 sacks and where everyone just assumed that was because of an awful offensive line, some of those same players were part of next year's top-rated pass protecting line. Odd, isn't it? Well, not THAT odd when you see that Jacoby Brissett had one of the longest time to throw averages in the league, and one of the poorest Sacks per Pressure figures in the league. HE made the offensive line look a lot worse than it was, and the offense suffered for it. The next year they change the QB and suddenly the OL looks amazing, the offense becomes the 5th/7th best in the NFL.

Listen if we want to Tank for Tua we don't need to buy other teams' garbage. We've got garbage of our own we can use, a lot cheaper.

Thank you! I wouldn’t give up Jack squat for Jacoby Brissett. Anything is too much. We have plenty of bad QB’s on the roster for free. I don’t know where anybody is getting the idea of his potential.
 
Jacoby Brissett is just good enough to lose...consistently.

The best the Patriots ever made him look was when they turned him into a Tebow-esque non-throwing quarterback against the Houston Texans in 2016. The following week they asked him to actually drop back and be a passer against the Buffalo Bills, and he repaid the New England Patriots with their first shutout since Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor stole Tom Brady's signals in 2006.

It's no wonder the following season the Patriots did something very un-Patriots-like. They dumped him with THREE CHEAP YEARS remaining on his contract. And they did it for a 1st round bust who has been their 4th wide receiver on the depth chart. It was a modern day version of the old John Avery-for-Marcus Nash trade.

So Jacoby Brissett starts in 2017 and he goes 4-11, leads the 30th ranked offense (in both points and yardage), has one of the worst QBRs in the league, low passer rating, one of the worst PFF ratings, consensus agreement by all analytical measurement systems that he was just plain bad.

He took 51 sacks and where everyone just assumed that was because of an awful offensive line, some of those same players were part of next year's top-rated pass protecting line. Odd, isn't it? Well, not THAT odd when you see that Jacoby Brissett had one of the longest time to throw averages in the league, and one of the poorest Sacks per Pressure figures in the league. HE made the offensive line look a lot worse than it was, and the offense suffered for it. The next year they change the QB and suddenly the OL looks amazing, the offense becomes the 5th/7th best in the NFL.

Listen if we want to Tank for Tua we don't need to buy other teams' garbage. We've got garbage of our own we can use, a lot cheaper.


I think you are being too rough on Brissett.

He had 3 cheap years, Dorsett had 2 (plus a 5th year option). Brissett was a third, Dorsett was a 1st. You make it seem like it was a completely one sided affair. Dorsett was a position of need for NE and they were stacked at QB. The Colts needed a QB and parted with their “Devante Parker”.

Brisett literally showed up in September and had to learn a brand new offense, on a team of guys he didn’t know, with the season starting in little over a week.

And yes he contributed to the bad oline, but that oline wasn’t very good with Luck for years either and absolutely contributed to massive amounts of pressure Brissett saw. Making them void of accountability just seems wrong.

He couldn’t of been that unsalvagable as there were strong rumors thats teams were offering as high as a second round pick with only TWO cheap years left after a year of that “good enough to lose consistently” tape was out there.

I agree, at this stage, trading for him just seems futile . . . .but taking the 2020 QB class out of the equation, I would much rather see him behind center than any other QB on this roster. Obviously the price plays a major role in that potential acquisition and it shouldn’t be a day 1 or 2 from a Dolphins perspective.
 
I think you are being too rough on Brissett.

He had 3 cheap years, Dorsett had 2 (plus a 5th year option). Brissett was a third, Dorsett was a 1st. You make it seem like it was a completely one sided affair. Dorsett was a position of need for NE and they were stacked at QB. The Colts needed a QB and parted with their “Devante Parker”.

Dorsett was trash. Even the Colts fans arguing with me about Brissett on Twitter say that. He was Marcus Nash, a classic 1st round bust of a wide receiver. You compare him to DeVante Parker but Parker has been a superior player to Dorsett on the football field and his biggest problem is he can't actually stay on the football field. Dorsett was bad on the football field and for the New England Patriots he's been the 4th wide receiver on the depth chart.

The 5th year option is irrelevant because Dorsett is not even been close to worth what that will cost and the Patriots did not figure that into their valuation. The fact that the Patriots traded Brissett with three cheap years remaining under contract is a big deal for a team like the Patriots. It means they didn't think highly of Brissett. At all.

Brisett literally showed up in September and had to learn a brand new offense, on a team of guys he didn’t know, with the season starting in little over a week.

And yes he contributed to the bad oline, but that oline wasn’t very good with Luck for years either and absolutely contributed to massive amounts of pressure Brissett saw. Making them void of accountability just seems wrong.

I never intended to absolve the Indy OL. I said that Brissett made them look worse than they actually were. Fact is some of those same OLs from 2017 were taking snaps in 2018 and suddenly they're the best pass protecting unit in the game. QB change made a huge difference.

He couldn’t of been that unsalvagable as there were strong rumors thats teams were offering as high as a second round pick with only TWO cheap years left after a year of that “good enough to lose consistently” tape was out there.

I don't know what RUMORS are out there...but I would be careful about citing rumors as evidence.

I agree, at this stage, trading for him just seems futile . . . .but taking the 2020 QB class out of the equation, I would much rather see him behind center than any other QB on this roster. Obviously the price plays a major role in that potential acquisition and it shouldn’t be a day 1 or 2 from a Dolphins perspective.

Glad we agree then!
 
We have plenty of high salaried veterans we're trying to move … those make more sense. But spending resources to acquire a QB is a dumb move if we're tanking. If we not … ugh … here we go again around the mediocrity merry-go-round …. wheeeeee!
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what resources? We would be cutting Parker or Quinn anyway? Brissett would be a stop-gap option while we look for someone to be the future. At worst he is a top flight backup who has an understanding of the system.
 
what resources? We would be cutting Parker or Quinn anyway? Brissett would be a stop-gap option while we look for someone to be the future. At worst he is a top flight backup who has an understanding of the system.
They were talking about trading for him. I've heard a LOT more than Parker and Quinn in this thread. I'm not down with trading away resources for a bum QB, particularly one that might mess up our tanking. If we were going to do that, we could get Matt Moore back, he's proven he's good at messing up the tank!
 
Again, please attribute these rumors to one person directly associated with the Dolphins.

One.
 
Ok please stop with the tanking talk because if the team is supposed to play bad enough to lose you will still complain when they lose, no one wants to pay for a substandard product on the field, that's why they need to win as many as possible, I personally wouldn't wait for any draft to pick a QB that may not pan out. What plan would you have if he gets hurt in college? If you need a QB then go get him this year, keep Thill and go get you a QB. you're saying the team isn't good with Thill so there you go tank with him.
 
Ok please stop with the tanking talk because if the team is supposed to play bad enough to lose you will still complain when they lose, no one wants to pay for a substandard product on the field, that's why they need to win as many as possible, I personally wouldn't wait for any draft to pick a QB that may not pan out. What plan would you have if he gets hurt in college? If you need a QB then go get him this year, keep Thill and go get you a QB. you're saying the team isn't good with Thill so there you go tank with him.

The idea of tanking with a QB that has a $27 million cap hit would be so Dolphins.
 
I never intended to absolve the Indy OL. I said that Brissett made them look worse than they actually were. Fact is some of those same OLs from 2017 were taking snaps in 2018 and suddenly they're the best pass protecting unit in the game. QB change made a huge difference.

Andrew Luck took 41 sacks in 15 games in 2016.
Same offensive line in 2016 minus Mewhort shifting from LG to RG and a new LG.

Their 2018 offensive line had 3 new pieces. Only guys remaining where the LT and center.
They invested heavily in the offensive line in the draft. They had two rookies start at least 13 games last year. Braden Smith(13) and Quentin Nelson(16).

Think it's more than just the QB. New offensive coach in Reich along with better offensive linemen helped keep Luck off the turf.
 
Andrew Luck's sacks as a percentage of pressures was in the lower half of the league in 2016, whereas Jacoby Brissett's was 2nd worst in the NFL. The line was actually worse in 2016 than 2017 and the difference between Luck and Brissett is one guy could make the line look better than they are and the other guy made the line look worse than they are.

I mean, I get the defense that Brissett only just learned the playbook a few weeks before he had to start playing, but the fact of the matter is his worst performances of the season came at the BACK END of the year, not the front end. Over his final six games he was 97 of 175 (55%) for 926 yards (5.3 YPA), 3 TDs and 2 INTs, with 17 sacks, one of the lowest adjusted passer ratings in the NFL even when he was "Kept Clean", and he held the ball even longer during that span than he did at the beginning of the year.

Hard pass.
 
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