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The Myth Of The "patriot Way"

I look at Brady and see the QB that BB created. QBs like Peyton are self made. And that is why I regard Brady with some bias. He has accomplished a lot. But I also feel he owes much of his success to being in the right system with the right coach at the right time. Some greatness is natural, some is nurtured. He is the latter.

The gangly kid from Michigan would have been out of the league in 4 or 5 years had he been with most teams.

And maybe BB doesn't have as many SB rings by now with another. That part I agree. But Brady needed BB, not the other way around .

Together they did something very special. And that is what makes them great together.

Remember (paraphrasing) "Joe Montana was a great Qb in a great system". "Dan Marino was a system "

Brady is a Montana. Peyton was a Marino.

I think you're splitting hairs. Brady has to be one of the smartest QB's of all time no question and is absolutely the GOAT. At this point, there is literally nothing he can be slighted on.
 
The majesty of a professional is to make something look easy.

You are embracing and denying the reason all in the same breath. You are staring directly at the forest and can't see it.

Bob Kraft is the creator of opportunity.

Bill Belichick is the architect of the plan.

Tom Brady is the plan's executioner.

This doesn't work without all 3. It is a unique happenstance of opportunity and ability. But without the conviction and faith to remain loyal to the relationship these 3 have forged, it is just another winning franchise. And not the model of excellence they have created that everyone else marvels.

To ascend to a dynasty, you need a Brady. He was the perfect piece of clay for Belichick to mold. But Brady has his own collection of skills that make him achieve his own success. He is not the best at much physically. And we've seen more intelligent football minds behind center. But he has a Joe Montana quality. He is the right player at the right time; not just for the Patriots' organization. In the game.

Belichick can win with anyone. He understands people, strategy and how to adapt. His mantra IS flexibility. Belichick is the true "quiet man". Always listening and adapting. He is a strong communicator. He says just enough at the exact precise moment. He is the Bobby Fischer of football.

Bob Kraft is the driving force behind the Patriots. He yields an unassuming power. He doesn't seem remarkable in any single facet. Until you realize that the Patriots have quietly went from a relatively unremarkable franchise to pushing the limits of known success. Mistaking that BB and TB are responsible for all of this is a huge miscalculation.

A real owner is moving pieces behind the scenes so his organization acquires the necessary influence to sustain its own success. Not easy to do when you have never been regarded as a football power. I would like to find a better word, but "shrewd" comes to mind. What Jerry Jones has accomplished as an owner off the field with his bravado, Kraft has accomplished more in his own relative silence.

Make no mistake, Kraft is probably one of the most influential modern owners. You don't sidestep the problems the Patriots have faced in the media if you don't have the league on some form of a string. The Patriots and The NFL have become a symbiotic existence.

To look at the Patriots and chalk it up to players and dumb luck, one would be missing the sheer amount of power, money, influence, opportunity and intelligence it takes to enact a dynasty of this magnitude and duration. Players come and go. This is a dynasty. It transcends players on the field. It takes powerful and intelligent people to reach this level of success.

Most organizations are fortunate for the stars to align for a single Super Bowl birth. Since Kraft became CEO in 1994, the Patriots have been to 10 Super Bowls and won 6.

Most organizations win because of a great QB, a great HC or a great Owner. They have all 3.

The Patriots have rewritten excellence in the modern era. It is an Olympic feat of accomplishment.

Umm...which QB behind center have u seen that is “much more intelligent” than Tom Brady? Go ahead, this should be good...
 
Belichick without Brady hasn't been able to duplicate his success. Belichick without Brady has been a losing HC in 5 of 7 seasons.

Belichick with Brady has been a winning HC in 17 seasons, 9 SB appearances and 6 SB wins.

The Patriots are a great organization no doubt. Having the G.O.A.T. at QB is "THEE" main reason why other coaches in his tree can't duplicate Belichick's success. They haven't been able to duplicate Brady.
 
I look at Brady and see the QB that BB created. QBs like Peyton are self made. And that is why I regard Brady with some bias. He has accomplished a lot. But I also feel he owes much of his success to being in the right system with the right coach at the right time. Some greatness is natural, some is nurtured. He is the latter.

The gangly kid from Michigan would have been out of the league in 4 or 5 years had he been with most teams.

And maybe BB doesn't have as many SB rings by now with another. That part I agree. But Brady needed BB, not the other way around .

Together they did something very special. And that is what makes them great together.

Remember (paraphrasing) "Joe Montana was a great Qb in a great system". "Dan Marino was a system "

Brady is a Montana. Peyton was a Marino.

Brady in college was known as the comeback kid, there's a nickname you earn by being clutch which he has been long before Belichick.

To finish off his college career he lead a comeback against #6 Penn St throwing a go ahead TD with under 2 minutes in the 4th QTR. He beat Ohio State making him 1 of 4 Michigan QB's since 1999 to do so. He lead a comeback in the Orange Bowl vs #5 Alabama. Down 2 TD's at the half, he tied it up in the 4th and then threw the go ahead TD in OT. Michigan finished 5th Brady's senior year which would be their last top 5 finish. His Orange Bowl win would be the last win for Michigan in the 4 major bowls until 2011. His 2 back to back bowl wins is the last time a Michigan QB won 2 bowl games back to back. His career .800 win% is the highest of any Michigan QB with any significant playing time

He started for Michigan despite the coaching staff's best effort to supplant him as the starter because they had superstar recruit Drew Henson. Much like he took the job from a guy who many considered to have superior physical skills in Drew Bledsoe he kept the guy who many considered to be far superior prospect in Drew Henson at bay in Michigan.

When he was at Michigan he was 7th on the depth chart and earned a starting spot on a major college football program coming off a national championship. When he got drafted by the Pats he was 4th on the depth chart and earned a starting spot despite a pro bow caliber QB starting ahead of him. If that's not self made I don't know what is. How can Belichick the defensive mastermind be credited for creating Brady? When did he become a QB guru? Why couldn't he work his magic on pro bowl veteran Drew Bledsoe? How much time did Belichick spend on a 4th string QB to the point where Brady as a 2nd year QB was ready to lead his team to the playoffs, win a SB, and lead a game winning SB drive much like he did during his college years.

Every QB is a system QB to an extent. The system should fit the QB's strengths and no QB can run every system. If Marino was in a RPO offense that really wouldn't be utilizing him to the best of abilities. If he as in an offense where he's doing a lot of roll out and throwing on the run again that doesn't fit his strengths. It would negate his superb ability to manipulate the pocket and you're making a great pocket passer throw on the run. I remember he did an interview with Dan Patrick and he said something to the effect of he would never want to run a dink and dunk offense and he would probably just audible out to something else. Just my 2 cents.
 
Belichick without Brady hasn't been able to duplicate his success. Belichick without Brady has been a losing HC in 5 of 7 seasons.

Belichick with Brady has been a winning HC in 17 seasons, 9 SB appearances and 6 SB wins.

The Patriots are a great organization no doubt. Having the G.O.A.T. at QB is "THEE" main reason why other coaches in his tree can't duplicate Belichick's success. They haven't been able to duplicate Brady.

The flaw on that is there's no Brady without BB. No way to exclude.BB's influence.
Would Brady have beaten the Rams without BB's D? I think not, but that's just opinion.

Nonetheless, back to topic. There is a 'way.' I don't want Flores to copy it page for page, but I do like many concepts
 
Flores have to find his own style of coaching. while finding a way won at same time.
 
Ernie Adams.

Ernie Adams is the only reason any of the three, Kraft, Bellicheat and Tom Baby will be in the hall of fame. Before the 2001 SB season, where according to the Spygate author they finally mastered the spygate system, Bellicheat's win totals as a head coach were 6, 7, 7, 11, 5 & 5. Those are Dave Wannstedt levels of winning.

Why, if the Cheatriots are so dominant, have they never once scored a touchdown in the first quarter of any of their super bowl appearances? Why do they suddenly become unstoppable on offense late in the fourth quarter of pretty much every SB? Maybe they are wearing down their opponents physically. More likely, it takes Ernie that long, in a game, to decipher the other teams play calls.
 
The Pats are the best at self-scouting.

When the NFL zig's towards a pure passing first offenses. The Pats zags and build an old school power run; play action game with 21 personnel and playbook lift directly from the 1970s.
 
The Pats are the best at self-scouting.

When the NFL zig's towards a pure passing first offenses. The Pats zags and build an old school power run; play action game with 21 personnel and playbook lift directly from the 1970s.
Is is interesting. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

To keep high powered passing attacks off the field, you play smash mouth. You beat the D's front seven to a pulp, while eating clock, as the opponents O watches from the sideline. Basic football 101.

Of course you have to have the horses, and the execution to make it work.

The difference between now, and the 70s, for example, is in prior eras, that required behemoth (usually slow)
O-line personnel.

As teams have gone to faster, lighter coverage personnel defensively, you no longer need huge guys, like those Gibbs Redskins teams, to run effectively, and consistently. Individuals doing their jobs, and executing is where it is won or lost.
 
One thing I give Bellichick a lot of credit for is recognizing trends and being adaptable. As an example, Tom Brady rarely throws deep anymore. After that Denver playoff loss a few years back where the Broncos pressured Brady all day, Bellichick made a subtle change. That was simply getting the ball out of Brady's hand more quickly and relying on those quick slot guys.

Even in the super bowl, Brady didn't play that well. He made the two clutch, touch throws on the lone touchdown drive but that was about it. It was the running game and the defense.

I love hearing that Miami will be "multiple" moving forward. That's a world Flores has used frequently to describe his thoughts on what the Dolphins will do.
 
I think it pertains to the dolphins because we just signed 33 percent of the patriots coaching staff. We should absolutely discuss the myth and reality of the patriots way.

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It's the 3rd "The Patroit Way" thread. They all shrivel up and die.

It's also the off season when anything goes :nap:
 
Considering that we
Belichick without Brady hasn't been able to duplicate his success. Belichick without Brady has been a losing HC in 5 of 7 seasons.

Belichick with Brady has been a winning HC in 17 seasons, 9 SB appearances and 6 SB wins.

The Patriots are a great organization no doubt. Having the G.O.A.T. at QB is "THEE" main reason why other coaches in his tree can't duplicate Belichick's success. They haven't been able to duplicate Brady.
If having "a way" means that we will establish an identity and shape our philosophy in drafting and FA by this identity...sign me up.

In the past, I don't know who, or what we were trying to be...even with Gase.
 
Considering that we

If having "a way" means that we will establish an identity and shape our philosophy in drafting and FA by this identity...sign me up.

In the past, I don't know who, or what we were trying to be...even with Gase.

Gase was so top secret with what he was trying to do, he didn't even know.
 
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