Is Kyler Murray Fools Gold?

I love the "not going on the record yet" is there a more fitting choice for finheaven posters? Anyway I have no issue with taking a chance on Murray. I like Lawrence the best of the upcoming QB's and it's not close. We can give Murray 2 years, if he's the guy great if not maybe we can snag Lawrence in 2021.

Murray is a phenomenal athlete who's transcended the QB position as a college player. His uncanniness reminds me of Flute and Tarkington. Both were on the smallish side and drove defenses nuts with their escapability and big play threat via run or pass. While I stand firmly in the belief Murray's a bonafide star, it's his size that has me worried. Not sure he'll be unable to withstand the rigors of NFL players who actually are able to take him down. I think Murray has just as much a chance to be injury prone as he's has to be a star.

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I could reading into it a bit but I'm just going by this:

"...We’re no further along than when I really bought the team,” Ross said Monday. “We’ve been operating under a philosophy that we had a good young roster and it needed maybe free agents and draft choices and we’d be very competitive. To keep operating under that philosophy would be like the definition of insanity: doing the same thing and really expecting a different result.

“So I thought it was time for the organization to take a different approach,” Ross continued. “... Basically, the thought is we’re going to look to really build this organization based on our needs and if it takes a year or so — two years, three years — we’re going to be there and we’re going to be an organization...”

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article223870470.html#storylink=cpy

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For me, all this statement does is state the obvious . . . .and gives some assurances to why they guaranteed Flores a 5th year on his contract.

But it definitely doesn’t suggest tanking. Tanking means you purposely do things to lose as an organization. That is never going to happen . . . Not in February, not in April, not on July.

They are going to field the best product they can, but not necessarily in free agency, but with youth and current building blocks, fill a need here and there in FA and see where the cards lay. The first step on building is getting QB you feel can lead your team to greater things.

Now come October 1st and we are 0-5 and just looking like a pathetic organization with no immediate fix on the roster, then you could see a real move to youth and inexperience instead of doing whatever it takes to win games . . . .efffectively tanking.

Kdawg954 said:

Doing nothing is even worse than swinging and missing

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True, but addressing other issues, is not "doing nothing".

Anyone watch this kid in an interview? What impressions do get from watching him? Is he a guy that everyone on the team will rally behind? We know he is athletically gifted and a Heisman winner. His stature will always be a question in the NFL the kid is under 5'9" and weighs less then 200 lbs. Is his success on the baseball field worrisome to anyone else? Could he cut and run to back to baseball? In all the incoherent rambling, what I'm getting at is I have no idea whatsoever about him. To say I'm on the fence is an understatement. I don't even know where to begin. Kyler Murray is a never ending enigma of questions the baffle my brain to the point of beyond dysfunction. #rambling101

Mach2 said:

True, but addressing other issues, is not "doing nothing".

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Obviously speaking in terms of the QB position, which is what i quoted on that post.

The “context” was being hesitant on selecting a QB and potentially ending up with a Brees/Culpepper situation. And my response was in regards to being content at the most important position on the field and that being worse than swinging and missing.

We have done nothing but attempt to build around Tannehill since drafting him . . . .not addressing the QB position “again” is crazy . . . .and I think a major mistake in this attempt in building a contending team in the near future.

claytonduper said:

My question is the following: Would Brady, Elway, Marino, Aikman, etc succeed with our recent past offensive lines? If we Draft Murray who has potential without rebuilding a line I think we waste a draft and player.

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By no means is the Dolphins OL one of the best in the NFL. However, Dolphin fans underestimate how poor Tannehill is in the pocket leading to the OL looking worse than it is.

In 2016, Tannehill was sacked 6.9% of time when attempting to pass. When Moore played final 3.5 games he was sacked 1.1% of time.

In 2017, Cutler and Moore were sacked 5.2% of time and that was with only 2 OL able to start more than 10 games due to injuries.

I stated in the offseason the one guarantee is if Tannehill is back at QB the sack % was going to go way up again.

In 2018, Tannehill was sacked 11.3% and Osweiler 8.7% of time.

Keep in mind how many throws by Tannehill were designed to get the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible.

Murray will take a decent percentage of sacks, but it will have to do with scrambling around in the pocket buying time which Tannehill didn't do. With Tannehill playing the defense always knew where he was going to be if he had to go through progression, about 7 yards deep in a direct line behind center and the defense didn't have to worry much about him taking off. For a QB that was supposed to athletic he sure played as if he wasn't.

Just having Murray at QB will improve the OL due to the defense having to be on guard against him taking off with the ball. The real payoff will come in the 2nd half and particularly 4th quarter as the defense tires from trying to contain and chasing him around all game. That's what appeared to happen to Alabama's D.

He's the goods.

DolfanISS said:

I love the "not going on the record yet" is there a more fitting choice for finheaven posters? Anyway I have no issue with taking a chance on Murray. I like Lawrence the best of the upcoming QB's and it's not close. We can give Murray 2 years, if he's the guy great if not maybe we can snag Lawrence in 2021.

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Ha ha 39 fence sitters and counting

More like the jury is still out

Hargitt01 said:

I have no idea whatsoever about him.

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The reality is nobody does. Not scouts, executives, GM's, agents, coaches - maybe not even Kyler himself.

The whole Kyler Murray phenomenon is entirely unprecedented in terms of combining the relevant factors in play: His stature, his projected draft value, his skillset, the baseball option, and potential success at the next level. He has no comparison.

If he's drafted in the top 25 picks - much less the top 10 - the bottom line is some team is either going to look extremely smart, or extremely stupid. There's no middle ground here. Which is exactly the type of game a team like the Dolphins need to be playing. The only thing worse than being no good for any professional sports organization is being irrelevant. That's what the Dolphins are and have been for 2 decades.

Bottom line is this - don't listen to other people or read other people's opinions on the internet that have no more of a clue about him than you do.

Watch him play. If the size is what concerns you, then go try to find instances on film of where his size was an issue. If any traits concern you, then go find on film where they were an issue.

The only question that you can't find an answer to is the baseball factor. That's the one that concerns me. Other than that, you pretty much touched one of the most important things in your post. He is athletically gifted. However, he's also a legitimately talented passer of the football. This isn't Lamar Jackson or Kordell Stewart out there trying to play quarterback. Murray is a different level as a passer. He's just short.

However, there are valid concerns also. He's got some groupies out there that have never given a balanced assessment in terms of what he does wrong or need to improve on. But the question for NFL teams boils down to this - is he worth the gamble where you're picking? Whether it's #1 overall or #31 overall. That's the question every team will have to ask themselves.

At #13 overall for the Dolphins - he probably is in my opinion.

Phindog said:

I actually think he'll slide to 13, it's up to our new staff to see if he's worth the risk.

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Here's my thinking and I'm sure other teams probably feel this way.

Take a chance with Murray if he's there at 13 and use 2020 to fall back on if he flops.

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I've seen several people say this but the problem is this......would the FO/HC be ready to say he's a bust after only his rookie year on a not very good team?
Also, wouldn't it be better to draft a top player on defense and then get the QB in 2020? If we draft Murray and then go QB again in 2020 then you missed the chance to help another position. If we draft Murray at 13 then I highly doubt we go QB again in 2020 with our first round pick.

DolfanISS said:

I love the "not going on the record yet" is there a more fitting choice for finheaven posters? Anyway I have no issue with taking a chance on Murray. I like Lawrence the best of the upcoming QB's and it's not close. We can give Murray 2 years, if he's the guy great if not maybe we can snag Lawrence in 2021.

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That last sentence is exactly where I’m at with it. That’s why if we give up 2020 1st rounder I’m good with it. And that’s a very valuable asset in trade I’d say.

We draft Murray we gonna be out of the 2020 qb draft class at least anyways. And heck tua may stay in school til 2021 even.

With the franchise at a crossroads and in need of a QB to lead the team, we have draft pick number 13.

It’s fate. If KM is at #13 draft him!!

Kdawg954 said:

For me, all this statement does is state the obvious . . . .and gives some assurances to why they guaranteed Flores a 5th year on his contract.

But it definitely doesn’t suggest tanking. Tanking means you purposely do things to lose as an organization. That is never going to happen . . . Not in February, not in April, not on July.

They are going to field the best product they can, but not necessarily in free agency, but with youth and current building blocks, fill a need here and there in FA and see where the cards lay. The first step on building is getting QB you feel can lead your team to greater things.

Now come October 1st and we are 0-5 and just looking like a pathetic organization with no immediate fix on the roster, then you could see a real move to youth and inexperience instead of doing whatever it takes to win games . . . .efffectively tanking.

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"Sources" have used the word tanking but I don't think Ross or Grier did. They talk about building the "right way" which usually means a slow, methodical approach where you're addressing the trenches first, dropping older(expensive) players and focusing on the draft. They need 2-3 players on each side of the line, linebackers CBs, and others depending on cuts as well as a starting QB. That's why I don't think they will sacrifice the rest of the needs to move up for Murray, that is something the Dolphins GMs of the past would do.