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Ryan Fitzpatrick To Miami

I'm sorry, and I'm not saying I love RF, but the reaction on this board makes me think so many people are a bunch of pussies. You don't go into a season with some crap no experienced QB to "tank" a season. It may work in the NBA (Rarely) but the NFL is completely different. No player wants to throw a season away due to the short lifespan. Also, put crap out on the field, other players can get hurt due to incompetence. Is Ryan F. the answer to a SB? Of course not, but he may be the answer to be somewhat respectable week in and week out. I know the losers who want to "pray" for some freaking savior in 2020, but I'd rather see a team willing to fight every week regardless of the outcome. How many top 5 or top 10 picks have bombed? More than have succeeded. Play to lose and you will always be a loser.
Thank you sir for some common sense, I do not want to see unwatchable football, even if we lose , also a few of our coaches have won out of the gate including Gase and Tony Sparano, you never know
 
This guy is better than Tannehill so what are we doing exactly???
Yeah. No:

The guy has a career 81 passer rating. Had 4 seasons where he threw more interceptions than TDs. In the great season he had last year, he was benched twice for a crab stealing pervert.



give me 5 straight 0-16s over being stuck in the middle of the pack
Can you please become a fan of another team?

but anyone with a brain in their head knows that losing in the short term puts the team in a better position to draft a franchise qb which, ultimately, helps the team win long term.
I have a brain and I disagree.
 
Everyone needs to understand that you cannot just give the players on this team the idea that you want them to go out and lose every game. They are professional athletes. Plus, if you want to do that, how are you going to evaluate any young talent? Why are guys going to want to put their bodies on the line every Sunday if you have Falk under center and have given the obvious message that you need to lose every game?

Fitz is a good signing in that it lets the players on the team know that you still expect to play hard and stay in games. If you win a couple, great. Again, what kind of locker room will we have with the mentality that you're asking guys to pretty much intentionally lose?

Also, for anyone worrying about winning "8-10 games" - seriously? Have you seen the players we have on defense? How about o-line?

So IMO this isn't about losing every game. It's a rebuild. Maybe you win 2 and get the first pick. Maybe you win 4 and have some young guys develop and still pick top 5. They are still going to get a qb to groom. Maybe even 2. Relax.
The team has already communicated that winning is not their top priority this season directly from the owner’s mouth. They have followed that proclamation with a yard sale of veteran talent, but somehow, in your mind, signing Fitzpatrick will convince the players that Miami is actually trying to win it all this year? Sorry, but while your argument has weight for a competitive team, it has no weight at all with Miami.

You are talking about Fitzpatrick providing a way for Miami to see what they have from the young guys on offense, but who would those players be? Drake? DVP? Grant? Wilson? We already have at least a full season of evaluation on our skill players on offense. The only position we cannot evaluate at is the most important position on the field...QB! There is absolutely nothing wrong with drafting a rookie and letting them start under Miami’s current situation, and zero benefit at all from paying Fitzpatrick.

This signing is a bad move and sends a conflicting message about what the team is trying to do.
 
Yeah, great. Another bad qb if it's from this qb class. I hope that makes you happy.
No idea what makes you think this is a bad QB class. You are banking on an unknown of QBs in 2020 who may not declare.

Murray, Haskins and Lock are good QB prospects.


Please go on record and tell us which qb you want the Dolphins to pick in this year's draft. I'm really curious to know. And then please tell us how you think the Dolphins will make that happen. What would you be willing to give up to get in a position to draft one of these saviors? Miami would most likely have to trade up to guarantee drafting one of those guys.

I've never said Tua is the guy I definitely want, I'm just saying that picking from next year's qb class looks a hell of a lot more appealing than picking from this year's.
Haskins followed by Lock. How to get either one depends on what Arizona does. Right now it looks like we have to jump Giants at #6.
#2 9ers have Jimmy G.
#3 Jets have Darnold
#4 Raiders give Carr with AB another year

In the QB game are #5 Bucks, possibly #6 Giants and maybe #8 Lions.

We don't have trade value this year. Based on value chart this year's 1st round, 2nd round and 3rd round would be enough to get the Giants spot. But then we have only lower picks left. Using next year's picks is tricky since nobody knows what draft spots these picks will be therefore no value can be assigned. I am not sure what picks we have yet as far as I know we will have 10 picks next year.
KC had to make up 17 spots or 620 points to get Mahomes (27 to 10). They switch 1st round picks and in addition the Chiefs gave the 3rd round selection and the 1st round pick the following year.

We have to make up 450 points. Our first, our third round pick this year and possibly our 2nd round next year should be good enough. Since the Giants already have 2 first round picks this year I would throw in another 4th rounder next year.

But like I said it depends on what AZ does. As long as they either pick Murray and trade Rosen to a team ahead of us it would serve us well. If they keep Rosen and bypass any QB it will serve us well. Until AZ makes a decision either way it is hard to speculate what to do.
 
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No idea what makes you think this is a bad QB class. You are banking on an unknown of QBs in 2020 who may not declare.

Murray, Haskins and Lock are good QB prospects.



Haskins followed by Lock. How to get either one depends on what Arizona does. Right now it looks like we have to jump Giants at #6.
#2 9ers have Jimmy G.
#3 Jets have Darnold
#4 Raiders give Carr with AB another year

In the QB game are #5 Bucks, possibly #6 Giants and maybe #8 Lions.

We don't have trade value this year. Based on value chart this year's 1st round, 2nd round and 3rd round would be enough to get the Giants spot. But then we have only lower picks left. Using next year's picks is tricky since nobody knows what draft spots these picks will be therefore no value can be assigned. I am not sure what picks we have yet as far as I know we will have 10 picks next year.
KC had to make up 17 spots or 620 points to get Mahomes (27 to 10). They switch 1st round picks and in addition the Chiefs gave the 3rd round selection and the 1st round pick the following year.

We have to make up 450 points. Our first, our third round pick this year and possibly our 2nd round next year should be good enough. Since the Giants already have 2 first round picks this year I would throw in another 4th rounder next year.

But like I said it depends on what AZ does. As long as they either pick Murray and trade Allen to a team ahead of us it would serve us well. If they keep Allen and bypass any QB it will serve us well. Until AZ makes a decision either way it is hard to speculate what to do.

If we don’t draft a QB in the first will you change your tune? Cause right now it sounds like you’re super hyped to 5-11 or 6-10 again
 
We were the 31st rushing defense last year, and only 3 teams had fewer sacks than us. So, it wont be hard to improve on that, even with undrafted, low profile FAs and rookies.

If you think replacing the pressure Wake put on qbs, even this most recent season, is going to be easy idk what to tell you.

I will concede that I, nor anyone here, KNOWS how the new defensive scheme will shake out. But it is ignorant to assume that losing one of the best pure pass rushers in the game will be easily improved upon with undrafted players.

I’ll eat crow if this team is halfway competitive this year, but I do not see it.
 
The team has already communicated that winning is not their top priority this season directly from the owner’s mouth. They have followed that proclamation with a yard sale of veteran talent, but somehow, in your mind, signing Fitzpatrick will convince the players that Miami is actually trying to win it all this year? Sorry, but while your argument has weight for a competitive team, it has no weight at all with Miami.

You are talking about Fitzpatrick providing a way for Miami to see what they have from the young guys on offense, but who would those players be? Drake? DVP? Grant? Wilson? We already have at least a full season of evaluation on our skill players on offense. The only position we cannot evaluate at is the most important position on the field...QB! There is absolutely nothing wrong with drafting a rookie and letting them start under Miami’s current situation, and zero benefit at all from paying Fitzpatrick.

This signing is a bad move and sends a conflicting message about what the team is trying to do.

Yes the new coaching team will absolutely want to evaluate Parker (set up to be cut after this year), Drake (last year of deal) and Gesicki (who ****ing knows where he's at); 'we' might already have a season of assessing them but the coaching team will want to work with them and assess them before making decisions on all three at the end of the year. To do so there needs to be a level of competency at QB, they won't be able to do it with inconsistent play from Falk, Ruddock or a mid-round rookie QB. Go down that route and we'll still be making excuses for Parker under-performing this time next year, or wondering how much of an effect opponents stuffing the box because Easton Stick is struggling to move the chains has had on Drake's performance. Just throwing a raw QB in there to see what they can do is a common request (every fanbase loves a scrappy unheralded QB) but it comes with other negative effects, especially if you have a new coaching team who need to make decisions on offensive players at the end of the year.

While you're right that signing Fitzpatrick won't suddenly hoodwink the team that this year is something of a write-off there still needs to be an element of stability; this is not a chance to say '**** it let's try something crazy' just because we're rebuilding. We will have a young roster with a rookie coaching team, and while it's easy to say 'just lose this year and when we get Tua everything will be OK' unfortunately it won't; with inexperienced coaching and playing teams the issues inevitably caused by a chaotic losing season will be exacerbated and cause lasting damage. With the best will in the world and no matter how much you expect it losing will still be a drain on everyone - players, coaches, fans - so the effects of that need to be minimised as much as possible. Again you're right that winning isn't the priority this year, but neither is creating so much of a shitshow that is permanently scars some of the players or coaches, or damages the relationship between them.

Ultimately maybe they just don't rate any top QBs in this year's draft, or think that next year's are worth waiting for? If we aren't planning on taking a rookie in the first round this year then this signing is perfectly logical. Starting Falk/Ruddock/AN Other mid-round QB is adding issues that the coaching team don't need to be preoccupied with if they've already decided that their QB is in the 2020 draft. By all means give them some garbage time but a cheap, reliable, experienced QB is a sound choice. There aren't any mixed messages - 2019 is a year for clearing house and Fitzpatrick is holding down the fort while it happens.
 
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You must remember this is a new coaching staff...they need to develop their play-calling and game situation skills. We need at least competency out there at QB to do that.
So glad to see some are thinking beyond drafting someone who may not even come out in 2020
 
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No idea what makes you think this is a bad QB class. You are banking on an unknown of QBs in 2020 who may not declare.

Murray, Haskins and Lock are good QB prospects.



Haskins followed by Lock. How to get either one depends on what Arizona does. Right now it looks like we have to jump Giants at #6.
#2 9ers have Jimmy G.
#3 Jets have Darnold
#4 Raiders give Carr with AB another year

In the QB game are #5 Bucks, possibly #6 Giants and maybe #8 Lions.

We don't have trade value this year. Based on value chart this year's 1st round, 2nd round and 3rd round would be enough to get the Giants spot. But then we have only lower picks left. Using next year's picks is tricky since nobody knows what draft spots these picks will be therefore no value can be assigned. I am not sure what picks we have yet as far as I know we will have 10 picks next year.
KC had to make up 17 spots or 620 points to get Mahomes (27 to 10). They switch 1st round picks and in addition the Chiefs gave the 3rd round selection and the 1st round pick the following year.

We have to make up 450 points. Our first, our third round pick this year and possibly our 2nd round next year should be good enough. Since the Giants already have 2 first round picks this year I would throw in another 4th rounder next year.

But like I said it depends on what AZ does. As long as they either pick Murray and trade Allen to a team ahead of us it would serve us well. If they keep Allen and bypass any QB it will serve us well. Until AZ makes a decision either way it is hard to speculate what to do.
I'm assuming you meant Rosen and not Allen in your above post. I think the big difference between you and guys like me who would rather wait until next season to take a qb, is that we don't believe in any of the prospects at qb, with maybe the exception of Murry who also has many red flags, as strongly as you do. Plus Murry is likely to be gone with the first pick. Not only that, but I think you are underestimating what it might take to move ahead of the Giants for what I believe to be a huge risk prospect wise in Haskins or Lock.
 
Duderino I thought that the Idea of tanking was to win less games so why are you not with this pick up?
 
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