For someone who absolutely hated Tannehill I can’t believe you’d be ok with Lock behind center. Picking him would be a death wish for this FO and franchise for the next few years. Lock is the player most like Cutler/Tannehill in this draft.
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DolfinJohnNY
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Except for the arm talent, I don't see the comparison to TANEHILL at all. DANIEL JONES = TANEHILL, IMO.
I agree to some extent that Jones = Tannehill. But Jones’ arm is no where near as strong as Tannehill’s arm.
DolfinJohnNY
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Absolutely agreed. So where does that leave JONES in your book? Mine? No thanks (4th round at the earliest).
The is in focus, They are not in tank mode, they are preparing for this season as if they will pick a QB with his skill set (Lock) would be the target in this year draft.
Fitz as a Starter VS Brady VS the retooled Jets c’mon means we are in a not seriously trying mode which spells tank
Fitz in Latin = Tank Job
Fitz in Latin = Tank Job
I want no qb in the 1st unless it’s for Murray or Haskins. Other than that it’s a crapshoot for me. Pick one up in the middle to late rounds to develop.
They are nothing alike, IMO. I could see the Cutler argument as a floor, as the arm talent is there.
I agree with the other poster who threw Daniel Jones' name in there. There's Ryan Tannehill for you. Lock is at the very least a worthy gamble as again, the arm talent is absolutely there.
If you want him .. up, your going to have to move in front of Denver. Im not sure they all get past as far a the Bengals either so if were going QB - better be ready to move up some.
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I believe this is the strategy also. Points of interest outlined below
1. Fitzmagic is a smart guy and obviously understands his role - great locker room presence and exciting facial hair. He's a great choice for us because he won't be boring.
2. We are not tanking for anyone (Grier et.al did not work this hard to fail on purpose (ever) thats Mike Tannenbaum kind of stuff)
3. We will take a QB this year and the guy who passes the sniff test will be our object of affection in THIS draft.
4. I can't bellieve how clear this plan seems to many of us that are pragmatists but emotion drives many dolphins fans.
5. If this works Chris Grier will get GM of the year.
I agree with all the points lined out by the OP, thanks for the post!
1. Fitzmagic is a smart guy and obviously understands his role - great locker room presence and exciting facial hair. He's a great choice for us because he won't be boring.
2. We are not tanking for anyone (Grier et.al did not work this hard to fail on purpose (ever) thats Mike Tannenbaum kind of stuff)
3. We will take a QB this year and the guy who passes the sniff test will be our object of affection in THIS draft.
4. I can't bellieve how clear this plan seems to many of us that are pragmatists but emotion drives many dolphins fans.
5. If this works Chris Grier will get GM of the year.
I agree with all the points lined out by the OP, thanks for the post!
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First of all I did not hate Tannehill. I don't hate Miami Dolphins players. As a matter of fact the "hate spot" is reserved for very special people. Hate is a too strong a feeling to just be applied to anybody.
I thought we overreached with him. I thought it was a mistake to let him start from game 1 on. I thought it was a mistake to hold onto him for as long as we did. But since the Dolphins kept him I hoped he will become that QB we all hoped for or that the Dolphins wake up one day and realize "he is not it. Let's move on." But hate? No.
Like I said in previous posts none of us know how any of the QBs will turn out once they enter the NFL. It is a huge step. A gigantic step. Tannehill had the talent. Tannehill had the work ethic. But Tannehill missed two major components which separates an average QB from good and great ones: attitude and ability to read defenses. The last one is a huge factor. Talent only brings you so far. If you are unable to identify defensive schemes and react to them all the talent in the world means squad. From everything I read Haskins and Lock performed extremely well in their interviews and when shown defensive schemes and lineups. Murray did not.
Haskins and Lock have something that Ryan never had: attitude (it was already a knock on Tannehill in college) and the ability to read opposing defenses and identify schemes and changes (also a knock on Ryan from college). The only question for both is: can they translate that to the NFL. And this is where most QBs "fail" after they are drafted. (Fail as in: never make it to greatness)
The Chiefs took a huge gamble on Mahomes. Nobody was that high on him. The consensus was that he was a project and could have fallen as low as the 2nd round. As a matter of fact in 2017 he was rated worse than Haskins and Lock in 2019 and the QB pool was horrific in 2017. To project a QB to go late 1st round or even 2nd round in a draft when the QB names were (outside Watson) Trubisky, Kizer and who knows who else you have to assume that the QB ain't worth it. But the Chiefs did their research, took their shot and gave him a year behind a vet QB. It seems to pay off.
Murray is rated high by all the pundits and fans because they see highlite films and they see him throw at pre-arranged events. They completely overlook the reports coming from college that he is lazy and not putting the work in required to succeed in the NFL and reports from the interview rooms that he has problems identifying defenses. For all intense and purposes he is, at this point, for me a reactionary QB who will not be worth his #1 draft status he might get. He probably needs more work than Haskins and Lock at this point.
And to gamble on next year's draft is an even greater risk. The pool of NFL teams seeking a QB may actually be bigger next year. Someone posted a reasonable list of NFL teams looking possibly for QBs next year. The list is twice as long as this year's. And if Tua or Fromm (or both) pull a Herbert your draft class will look ...well....not so good anymore.
DolfinJohnNY
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After watching more of him, I'm warming up to LOCK. So, IMO, any of MURRAY, HASKINS or LOCK in the 1st would be cool.
I agree with you. I think Fitz is smart, gutsy, and a strong leader. It's who you want mentoring a rookie QB. I think they have to draft a QB this year so that they can build around them in the coming years.
I really hope we don't move up. It never seems to work for us. We need a lot of help so why waste picks moving up?
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Why move up to make a pick ? Come on Danny your smarter than that ?
Maybe we've already gone beyond the point of return to were we are just accepting being losers.
Ya giving up the 2019 season enough to have a shot next year for another huge gamble makes more sense ? ... luckily I think the Organization is not on this page....thank god
It never worked for us is just such a poor reasoning, everything is totally different now. Drafts are always a crap shot to some degree and true it may not work, but IMO its not a difficult decision to realize its definitely worth the shot because if it works which is not as complicated to happening as expecting to be in the #1 position for the QB in the 2020 draft. The benefits can be so astronomical that its almost insanity to not do.. Something I could more easily accept from most all of our previous GM's and people that made the calls.