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415, you are correct that we better get it right this time. If we basically fold the 2019 season all for a #1 pick at a franchise QB and get it wrong, were set back another few years.
 
Phindog said:
It actually is pretty funny, what other teams did he have he could start for? He probably had to pinch himself.

But on the Dolphins side, we needed a QB to be a punching bag and a QB that knew he was needed 1-2 years tops to be the bag. :blackeye
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I mean, he said he was grateful. Not sure why you guys are talking like he was bragging or anything.
 
Fitzpatrick is just racking up cash in nfl. he is not great but he will work for now. we need find backup qb also. he will not last 16 games. Stills, Wilson and grants.will score lot of TD
 
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FearTheBeard said:
The Fitzpatrick signing is pretty simple, you can't simply tank a full season and throw a guy like Ruddock out there all season and expect the franchise to respond positively. That's not how you build a winner. Fitzpatrick is likable, respected by his teammates and a veteran presence.

If we really wanted to truly tank the season (talking 0-2 wins) Bortles would've been the best move. But really, I think that would've hurt the culture. There has to be some legitimacy to the plan entering the season. At the end of the day if Flores can't win more than 4 games, even with a bad roster, he probably isn't the answer.

Another thing lost on this whole tanking thing, tanking in the sense of winning the Tua sweepstakes is having a plan with only one outcome seldom works. Tua can go back to school, Tua can get injured, or you can win 3 games instead of 2 and pick 2nd. Then what? Wasted a year of development, haven't started building a culture based around any sort of positive progress and you're looking at your second choice you could've lined yourself up for winning 5 games and building some semblance of an organization structure.

I'm all for this retool. Think it's the way you build a team for sustained success and stockpiling as many assets and being bad for a year is the best approach. But there's a balance between a full-blown tank and wasting the year, and I think bringing a guy like Fitzpatrick has a positive influence on that, even if we look a bit better in the W/L column come season's end.
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I don't buy into this whole winning culture thing with this team right now. We have a brand new coach with no expectations at all. It's the perfect time to tank. Nobody is gonna think any different of this team if we suck ass. We are expected too. Is the culture really gonna be that different if we win 2 games compared to 5? Look at the Browns. They had the first overall pick two years in a roll. Terrible culture right. They hit on the QB and what do you know they have the fifth highest odds to win the super bowl this year. This is after having a terrible "culture" and being the laughing stock of the league.

Second point. How many of the players that we have as starters right now are gonna be here starting in 2-3 years? Probably not many. Roster turnover in the NFL is like what 30-40% a year? We probably wil have 10 or so players that are left over after 3 years. That's means 30-40 of the players on this team in 3 years didn't even participate in the terrible 2019 season.

Look I get it. It's sucks to suck but if we are gonna have a season where we are fairly certain the playoffs are out of the question let's make the most of it.
 
I think you both make some fair points. Culture isn't make believe, I can't agree with that. I feel actively trying to lose isn't a means for developing a program though. Cleveland was unique in that they managed to have the worst coach in pro-football history. It becomes easier to do this tank job with one of those in place because coaching is so important, but it can also seriously stunt a roster that really might be more of a mid-range team than a historically bad team. We saw that with Hue over the years, I know Baker elevated him, but between not playing him and how he handled the rest of the roster I can't imagine another coach could turn that roster into an 0-16 team.

If this team made the right coaching hire, then this team won't end up with a #1 pick more than likely. It's coming off a 7 win season. So while sucking for a whole season is all well and good it's really hard to be the single worst team in the league even if you try.

So I rather have a guy in place who can at least inspire some level of competence and will keep the team competing and not looking at the organization as a group just wasting a year of their careers. Put Ruddock out there for a year and it hurts development of the entire offense. The assumption that you're just going to be the worst team in the league is too simple to me, there's too many variables at play with 31 other teams and a 53 man roster. Not for me.

The strongest point I'll give you in response to your concerns is this: a good football coach is seldom going to lose enough to get the #1 pick no matter what their roster. If Flores is going to be here longterm he should be able to scheme us to 4 wins.
 
DuderinoN703 said:
Why go with him at all? Guy was benched twice for Winston.
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I’m assuming you don’t know the context of what happened. He definitely did not in any way deserve to be benched the first time of the 2.
He had 3 consecutive games to start the season that literally from what he did they had his jersey framed and givin its own special corner in the nfl hall of fame. Then in the 4th game he is 11-19 for 175 yards 0 TD and 1 int. Side note- the int came 1 play after a dart he threw to the endzone for a td is called back for a stupid penalty by someone not even in same area of field. So it gets called back so 3rd and long late in half and he ends up forcing one that gets picked.
So at this point he has 1,400 yards passing, over 100.00 qbr, 12 total td, 4 int. Through 3 and 1/2 games.
Also not to mention the buccaneers defense let the bears break their all time 1st half TD record and were literally playing one of the worst defensive games I had ever seen up to this point in my life.
They were waiting for any reason at all, small or big that didn’t matter, but any reason at all to pull him and put winston in. He played so good those 1st 3 games that they had to start him in game 4 even though they didn’t want too.
So you think in a normal situation a guy that literally had the best 3 game stretch in the history of the nfl statically deserved to be benched for a 11-19 for 175 0 td 1 int half where his defense was having one of the worst halves in their team history?
Then you factor in how bad the Buccaneers defense was last year overall, it was one of the worst defenses of all time.
Several games the offense played well enough and put up enough points that 95% of the time they would have won.
Also the fact winston blew the game vs Atlanta, they probably would have won with Ryan. Then winston throws 4 int vs bengals, they throw in Ryan and in one quarter brings them from 18 down to tie it with over 200 yards passing 2td and an epic 2point conversion he got down. Then in overtime bucs defense blew it and lost them the game.
Ryan most definitely would have gotten them that win if he played whole game, so if you don’t bench him in game 4 there is an extremely high chance the Bucs would be 5-2 at this point in the season. No telling where the season could have went from there. But imagine knowing after game 3 that no matter what at literally the smallest wrong thing you do your getting pulled. That would be super hard situation to play in.

Now I’m not trying to say he isn’t an inconsistent player, he most definitely is. But when you analyze what happened last season it fell apart for him not because of his play but a many number of other things.
In 8 starts he put up almost 2,500 yards with 17 td and 100+ passer rating with the highest yard per completion at 9.6 than any other qb in the league.
He is not as “bad” as you seem to think he is. There are many things he can be criticized for referring to his play over the years, but he also has been unfairly criticized by the media and some fans over the years at times when he shouldn’t be taking the blame.
He is the epitome of a gunslinger and he plays in a way that he does have games he throws to many picks or he’s just off but he is not as bad of a qb as a lot of people think.

He’s also a class act and every teammate who has come out and talked about him has always said wonderful things about him. He’s great for the locker room. Exciting to watch, and what better guy to have a rookie come in and be mentored by. He’s someone young players can look up too.
Terrel Owens is on record saying that out of all the qbs he ever played with, Ryan Fitzpatrick threw the best ball. Little interesting fact. I’m excited to see him play this year and I believe if the dolphins draft someone in 2020 and this team is his for a season and he doesn’t have to look over his shoulder the entire time, he may surprise a lot of people and have a pretty good year.
 
Danny said:
it could be 20mill?????

Ryan Fitzpatrick QB, Miami Dolphins

Dolphins signed Ryan Fitzpatrick, formerly of the Bucs, to a two-year, $11 million contract.
Incentives could reportedly boost his deal to a max value of $20 million. Fresh off a 2,300-yard campaign in eight appearances with the Bucs last season, the 36-year-old 14-year vet will be instilling magic into a Dolphins offense that quietly has explosive receivers in place to mesh with Fitzpatrick's uncanny gunslinger mentality. If Miami is truly tanking to be in a better position down the road, Fitzpatrick makes for the perfect placeholder as he can help sell tickets with his boom-or-bust downfield approach all the while inevitably keeping the team as bottom-dwellers in the AFC. If Fitzpatrick proves to be too competent, it wouldn't be shocking to see the Fins turn to Luke Falk or Jake Rudock down the stretch.

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If it got to 20 million it would mean he played out of this world and probably helped win the dolphins 12 games. He isn’t gonna get 20 mill for having a good game or 2.
 
Question for the tankers: if we only win 2 or 3 games next year, how do you evaluate our coaches?
 
fin415 said:
Just because the league let something happen 10 years ago doesn't mean they'll let it happen again. As for losing in court, that's also no guaranteed on that point either as the NFL is a club that gets to make their own rules. Given that no draft pick is a guaranteed win, we might be back at the draft table without a QB and without picks -- that's one hell of a game of chicken
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You're absolutely right. After the whole CTE flare up a few years ago and then the Ray Rice thing, the anti-NFL crowd is easily riled up and growing. There is likely to be another event in the next few years that once again brings up the question of whether a sports league, such as the NFL, deserves an anti-trust exemption. While public opinion and the politicians in place currently aren't going to let that happen … times and politicians change … and the anti-NFL crowd is growing.

Kids today don't play sports as much as they used to, and while viewership is high, other things, such as video games, are increasingly cutting into the future fanbase. If the wrong people started a crusade about how a team was tanking today, it would be a lot bigger deal than the Indianapolis Suck for Luck campaign. I think the league is definitely against having those optics. Sure, it happens every year by multiple teams in the NBA … but that crowd doesn't hate the NBA as much as the NFL (long history of domestic issues and CTE injuries). Staying off that crowd's axe-grinder is a major goal for the NFL these days.
 
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