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Leave The Dolphins Alone,let The Dolphins Tank In Peace

I wouldn't be so sure.

You can make a case for sitting any QB not named Murray for their first year.

I feel like that's the direction this FO is headed, depending of course on how the first 12 draft picks unfold.


Why would they draft a quarterback in the 1st round this year with so many holes on this team and then have him sit his first year?
 
Yeah I get sitting a QB but why pick one in a lackluster QB year that needs to sit. We have a whole lot of holes to fill and next year will have better prospects. I dont want to draft a QB in the first round in which its probably better for him to sit a year. Yeah I know Mahomes sat for a year. I know Rodgers sat for 4 years. They had different situations. They had legit QBs in front of them. We would be sitting one because he needs to sit.

Use the picks to get this Oline ready for a good prospect next year. Instead of getting a lackluster QB then building the line.

Could very well do that. No guarantees that Tua heads to draft, though I think he will, and From could very well be a #2 overall pick, or #1 if Tua stays. Are you sold on Herbert? IDK anything about him but I'm not convinced Haskins is lackluster.

Urban Meyer called him the best prospect he's ever seen (over Alex Smith and Cam Newton).

Why would they draft a quarterback in the 1st round this year with so many holes on this team and then have him sit his first year?

Because QB is the most important position on the team. Who cares what other holes we have if you don't have a QB?

And there is nothing wrong with sitting a QB their first year to develop them.
 
I'm not a fan of LaCanfora. He very often runs with stories that are speculative at best. But this one isn't fact driven … it's theoretical opinion. And I find myself in unfamiliar territory saying … Jason LaCanfora is spot on with his opinion. Saying that scares me … because it's foreign to me, much like intentionally focusing on growth designed to lose almost all of one's games is foreign to me. But he hits the nail on the head. We've tried patchworking … we've tried it every year for a generation … and it failed EVERY SINGLE TIME.

If it were 3rd down and 5 yards to go, and I told you that every time we've been in that situation we ran the ball, and all 20 of those times we failed to get a 1st down, and asked you whether to run or pass … you probably would say, "pass the damn ball, at least TRY something different." So if we had a QB in the bottom third of the passing rankings and all reserve WR's … would it change your mind? It's worth considering for sure … but to me, I would still say "at least TRY something different."

Everyone has their pain threshold. Some people can't stand to lose even one season, and give up on the team if they do … those are bandwagon jumpers. Some people can go 5 or 10 years before losing the stomach to endure the pain, those are usually thought of as true fans. Some of us have actually endured those 20 years of mediocrity, and cannot take that pain any longer. There is no right answer, as everyone is different. But for me, I can't sit around and get behind being stuck on an endless treadmill of mediocrity. To me that is the Groundhog Day (movie) of horror. I can't accept "same ole" anymore. I feel we need to try to do something differently.

The NFL has changed dramatically since I started watching as a child. The QB position has become extremely important compared to when I started watching. Today, it is the most important position for EVERY NFL team, even if you have a HoF running back or DE. And scouting has improved, with fewer and fewer guys slipping through people's evaluation process the way Stallworth did when the Pittsburgh Steelers were able to steal him by hiding the only copy of his highlight tape. Today, everybody has mountains of film, everybody has recorded interviews, and everybody's criminal records are available. Nobody surprises with a fast 40 time that the scouts have never heard of. The surprises are getting rarer.

QB is a complex position to scout, and there are a lot of failures. But even the hidden gems of yesteryear, the Tom Brady's in the 6th round … today those hidden gems are found in the 2nd round, and are becoming a lot harder to find. And if you're looking for a pocket passer, like the O'Shea offense needs … they're simply not happening. The 2nd round brings guys like Andy Dalton if you're lucky. And the middle and bottom of the 1st doesn't bring a lot of pocket passers these days either. If you want that style of QB that can run the offense built to maximize the gifts of Tom Brady … then you need to get a pick at the very top of the draft. That means either mortgaging your future to trade up, or allowing one year of sucking instead of being mediocre.

I think this article makes a lot of sense. But then again, I've reached my limit on failed re-patch jobs and recycled approaches. I'm ready to try something new. I also understand how not everyone will agree, and that's cool too.
 
Could very well do that. No guarantees that Tua heads to draft, though I think he will, and From could very well be a #2 overall pick, or #1 if Tua stays. Are you sold on Herbert? IDK anything about him but I'm not convinced Haskins is lackluster.

Urban Meyer called him the best prospect he's ever seen (over Alex Smith and Cam Newton).

We know Tua is gonna be a sought after prospect. Fromm will likely be as well. Then you have Herbert and Love that will be under the microscope. I am not very high on Herbert but he's got the tools. Haven't seen Love play enough. Murray and Haskins weren't even thought of at this time last year. So imagine you get one or two prospects that emerge in addition to the four already mentioned. You got the makings of a pretty good class headed by an elite prospect.
 
I agree with you Digital. I am perfectly happy with a tank job in order to get a top Qb next year. I am sick of what the Dolphins have done the last 20 years, trying to patch things up and ultimately being mediocre. I just am sick of them buying a shiny used toy every year and being in cap hell. I’m sick of successful organizations like the Steelers knowing when it’s time to let their players go, only to have our FO sign them, like Porter and Simmons. i want this done right by fixing these lines first and then picking their Qb. I know this rebuild will take time but I have patience, hopefully in 3 or 4 years this organization will get back to having the success it enjoyed in the 70’s.
 
Lol. The split between fans on this board is a reflection of the disorder within this FO. Has Grier ever implied the Dolphins are tanking? Flores? As far as I know, the only one implying how the team’s direction was shifting was Ross, who has no more football acumen than any of the many fans frequenting this site.

Of course not. Grier even went on record:

Dolphins set record straight on rebuild: 'We’re not trying to tank or lose every game'
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“I think everyone kind of took Steve’s words the first press conference out of context because you’ve been around Steve. He is a volatile, very competitive person. So we’re not trying to lose games. We’re going to do what’s best,” Grier said Wednesday as the NFL scouting combine kicked off at Lucas Oil Stadium and the Indiana Convention Center.

“We’re going to build like we’ve talked about building right, going through the process to do what’s best for the Dolphins. But no, we’re not trying to tank or lose every game. But we’re going to build it right and see how it plays out.”

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-combine-20190227-story.html
 

Deeds speak louder than words. The Dolphins just downgraded at quarterback, let their starting right tackle walk, made no effort to keep Wake, look like they are trading Robert Quinn, and did not make any efforts to upgrade anywhere in free agency or via trades. You can say you're not intentionally trying to lose as many games as possible, but you can also set yourself up for a very horrid season, which is obviously what's happening here. The only way that you can convince me that tanking is not the plan is if they end up taking a QB in the first round this year, which would be curious considering the guy is either gonna sit on the bench and they'll stink all the same or he's going to play sooner rather than later and get the crap kicked out of him.

Flores said it himself, "there will be pain."
 
Deeds speak louder than words. The Dolphins just downgraded at quarterback, let their starting right tackle walk, made no effort to keep Wake, look like they are trading Robert Quinn, and did not make any efforts to upgrade anywhere in free agency or via trades. You can say you're not intentionally trying to lose as many games as possible, but you can also set yourself up for a very horrid season, which is obviously what's happening here. The only way that you can convince me that tanking is not the plan is if they end up taking a QB in the first round this year, which would be curious considering the guy is either gonna sit on the bench and they'll stink all the same or he's going to play sooner rather than later and get the crap kicked out of him.

Flores said it himself, "there will be pain."


So basically the Dolphins are acquiring Fitz because they don't like him and want to get him killed in the unlikely chance they can get the first pick in the draft and then, all of a sudden, start winning again.
 
So basically the Dolphins are acquiring Fitz because they don't like him and want to get him killed in the unlikely chance they can get the first pick in the draft and then, all of a sudden, start winning again.

He wants a chance to start, and we were the only team offering that. And again, nobody makes a point to downgrade at the QB position and expects to get better.

Whether the Dolphins “want” Fitz to get beat up is irrelevant. Until you tell me where the team is going to get competent offensive linemen that are not named Laremy Tunsil, that’s what’s going to happen.

The way things are shaping up now, it’s far from unlikely that the Dolphins will be getting the first pick in the 2020 draft. It’s actually in purely mathematical terms close to likely that’s what’s going to happen.
 
Even freaking Jason La Confora can see what is about to happen open your eyes people

Even the blind see it
 
So basically the Dolphins are acquiring Fitz because they don't like him and want to get him killed in the unlikely chance they can get the first pick in the draft and then, all of a sudden, start winning again.
They just downgraded the Offense you explain it for us??? They just downgraded the Offense you explain it to us?
 
That's the point; the Browns have spent two or three years maneuvering themselves into this position. We're doing the same.
I just want to see evidence that tanking has brought anybody championships. NE never has a high draft pick and retool yearly. Do a good job as gm and the high draft pick does not matter.
Plenty of teams with high draft picks consistently are bad. It is not our middle drafting position that has us where we are.
 
Chiefs got Mahomes at 10 no tank
Eagles got Wentz by trading up no tank
Houston drafted Watson 12th no tank
Seahawks drafted Wilson pick 75 no tank


Who are these Superbowl champions that built their team by tanking. Many teams made trades to make things happen. We could have traded up to take Mahomes, Watson or Wentz or whomever. Our bad free agent, drafting, GM choices, coaching are what have doomed us not our inability to tank.
 
What a bunch of hooey!

Chris Grier is the scout, Tannenbaum was always the quintessential executive handling contracts, working with the legal staff, handling cap issues, etc.

Grier has been GM for years, and he was head of college scouting since what?? 2007?

Chris Grier was head of college scouting all through the Ireland years as well. Chris Grier had more to do with who was drafted and acquired during free agency than any other person, especially and specifically Ross or Tannenbaum.

It is Chris Grier, and Chris Grier alone who is responsible for the Dolphins having the weakest roster in the NFL.

Ross hiring the very guy who was the source of mountains of bad advice and bad information, is just beyond lunacy.

The Browns are moving on into extreme relevancy. The Dolphins are looking like the heir apparent to becoming the laughing stock of the league, as if we weren't already halfway there.

 
Nope, right as rain. Everything posted is indisputable. Just the facts Ma'am, just the facts.
 
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