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Mike Gesicki, What’s The Plan?

Nappy Roots said:
Its not just about being able to block, its about not getting move off your spot or redirected so easily in his route running. I am in agreement with FSU Truth and Kdawg here, hes not even close. And its not strength or athletic ability that is the issue.
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Given. He's soft.

But get him vertical over the middle of the field.
 
Digital said:
I liked Andrews too, but he wasn't anywhere close to my rating of Gesicki, who was alone at the top with Dallas Goedert at a close #2. I thought Mark Andrews was generally underrated by many in the build up to the draft. I think all three will be good NFL TE's, but I believe Gesicki will be the best when it's all said and done.
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I had Mark Andrews #1 in that group for years and I haven't seen anything to get me off that. I like Dallas Goedert a lot too. And I think Mike Gesicki will play better than he did in 2018, ultimately. Although maybe that's not saying a lot.
 
Nappy Roots said:
Would have to have a hell of a offensive line to wait for him to get down the field and soft players dont tend to do well over the middle in the NFL...
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He runs a 4.5. Won't take him that long.

It's a better option than having the soft player block.

We're killing the kid after 1 year because we live in the age of instant gratification. He played in a terrible offensive scheme being asked to do what he was never good at to begin with

I have zero bias here. I haven't followed a draft since a I can't remember. But 6'6 4.5 40 gets 2 targets a game- 2 targets a game. I don't consider that giving him a shot to be a solid pass catching TE.

Trade him to the Pats now that Gronk is retired and watch him wow the NFL.
 
Mike Gesicki was clearly mis-used by a coach that was too in love with his own offensive system and play calling structure to adjust things to what he had on the depth chart. That's the bottom line.

Your grandmother probably could have mapped out on a napkin the basics of how a Mike Gesicki should be used in the NFL, especially as a rookie. Yet Adam Gase had him lined up on the shoulder of the tackle about half of his snaps, and he had him staying in on pass plays to pass protect about 1 in 5 pass snaps.

For reference, when Aaron Hernandez was with the Patriots in his heyday, over a two year period he lined up on the shoulder of the tackle about 13% of the time, and he stayed in to pass protect on like 1 out of 25 pass plays. So a rookie Mike Gesicki pass protected literally 5x as often as a veteran Aaron Hernandez.

I think Miami will get back to that, considering they have the same coaches that were in place during that Gronk/Hernandez heyday, including TE Coach George Godsey.

But in order to make that work, you obviously need a Y. The Patriots conveniently had Rob Gronkowski for Aaron Hernandez's entire career. But they also had guys like Daniel Fells, Michael Hoomanawanui, Visanthe Shiancoe, and Rob's brother Dan Gronkowski. They made sure they had bodies at that position that could get in there and play next to the tackles, and be relied on for pass protection.

Hence Miami signed Dwayne Allen and Clive Walford to compete with Durham Smythe and Nick O'Leary.
 
marino13zach54 said:
He runs a 4.5. Won't take him that long.

It's a better option than having the soft player block.

We're killing the kid after 1 year because we live in the age of instant gratification. He played in a terrible offensive scheme being asked to do what he was never good at to begin with

I have zero bias here. I haven't followed a draft since a I can't remember. But 6'6 4.5 40 gets 2 targets a game- 2 targets a game. I don't consider that giving him a shot to be a solid pass catching TE.

Trade him to the Pats now that Gronk is retired and watch him wow the NFL.
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yea it will lol, because hes going to get stoned off the block and knocked off his route. 4.5 means nothing in traffic you cant get through
 
ckparrothead said:
Mike Gesicki was clearly mis-used by a coach that was too in love with his own offensive system and play calling structure to adjust things to what he had on the depth chart. That's the bottom line.

Your grandmother probably could have mapped out on a napkin the basics of how a Mike Gesicki should be used in the NFL, especially as a rookie. Yet Adam Gase had him lined up on the shoulder of the tackle about half of his snaps, and he had him staying in on pass plays to pass protect about 1 in 5 pass snaps.

For reference, when Aaron Hernandez was with the Patriots in his heyday, over a two year period he lined up on the shoulder of the tackle about 13% of the time, and he stayed in to pass protect on like 1 out of 25 pass plays. So a rookie Mike Gesicki pass protected literally 5x as often as a veteran Aaron Hernandez.

I think Miami will get back to that, considering they have the same coaches that were in place during that Gronk/Hernandez heyday, including TE Coach George Godsey.

But in order to make that work, you obviously need a Y. The Patriots conveniently had Rob Gronkowski for Aaron Hernandez's entire career. But they also had guys like Daniel Fells, Michael Hoomanawanui, Visanthe Shiancoe, and Rob's brother Dan Gronkowski. They made sure they had bodies at that position that could get in there and play next to the tackles, and be relied on for pass protection.

Hence Miami signed Dwayne Allen and Clive Walford to compete with Durham Smythe and Nick O'Leary.
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I agree with all of that. But I would add one caveat. IMHO, Gase thought and expected to be here long term and be able to develop Gesicki as a player long term. Right or wrong, and I happen to agree with Gase here, if Gase wants a complete two-way TE who can at least block a bit (not a star), then the way to do it was to emphasize that his playing time would be limited by his blocking progress, and that if he wanted to catch passes, he needed to become a serviceable blocker.

Gesicki's biggest blocking problems were a complete lack of interest/emphasis for it in college--he was allowed to not even try. Gase ended that narrative and for the first time ever Gesicki was compelled to try to learn blocking …. while being overwhelmed by all the complexities of the NFL TE position that typically stupefies rookie TE's and makes them play hesitant and slow. While Gesicki was by no means good, he did show progress blocking.

Now, your point about not being given chances (2 targets per game) is a very important one. People think Gesicki had a bad rookie season, but he didn't. His stats aren't that far off from Goedert's considering the offense and opportunities, but for some reason people's perception and the narrative are that Goedert had a good rookie season. In reality, both guys had decent seasons … for rookies, and very bad seasons compared to veteran TE's.

@marino13zach54 makes an excellent point,
"We're killing the kid after 1 year because we live in the age of instant gratification. He played in a terrible offensive scheme being asked to do what he was never good at to begin with."​

I am of the opinion that despite the offense change, we'll see a very significant uptick in Gesicki's production in year 2.
 
marino13zach54 said:
He runs a 4.5. Won't take him that long.

It's a better option than having the soft player block.

We're killing the kid after 1 year because we live in the age of instant gratification. He played in a terrible offensive scheme being asked to do what he was never good at to begin with

I have zero bias here. I haven't followed a draft since a I can't remember. But 6'6 4.5 40 gets 2 targets a game- 2 targets a game. I don't consider that giving him a shot to be a solid pass catching TE.

Trade him to the Pats now that Gronk is retired and watch him wow the NFL.
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Its hard to taget someone when they are always on the ground, or stumbling around while the ball is picked off
 
trash in line. Trash when flexed. Trash when split. Trash on iso. Easy wall off in the stem. Easy redirect. No separation no change of speeds. Terrible stride for gear down and redirect on anything other than speed cut ask.

2018 in a nut shell.

I could do 52 others of these but I’m not gonna put a bow on hot garbage play.

Best thing that kid can do is learn to change speeds in his routes. But that’s hard cause of the stride.
 
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hoops said:
trash in line. Trash when flexed. Trash when split. Trash on iso. Easy wall off in the stem. Easy redirect. No separation no change of speeds. Terrible stride for gear down and redirect on anything other than speed cut ask.

2018 in a nut shell.

I could do 52 others of these but I’m not gonna put a bow on hot garbage play.

Best thing that kid can do is learn to change speeds in his routes. But that’s hard cause of the stride.
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He's gotta learn to run using short choppy "bambee" steps and lower is center of gravity

as opposed to the stickman thing impersonation whatever he was doing...

I'm like -- who ??? coached this dude in HS/college?
 
If Miami is the new Cleveland, then Gesicki is the new Tannehill.
 
BigNastyFish said:
Right. His "game" is vertical

hence he's a volleyball player

in football garb...

No disrespect. I dig Vball but

barring some kinda metamorphic

transformation the kid looks displaced

on the football field -- especially dealing with

the physical dimension of the game -- which is

really significant for a supposed TE.

I think for a LOT of us -- it was rather *shocking*

how unfit he seemed for pro ball on a number of levels...

I'd sure like to see our internal scouting report on him

and certainly WHO was pushing for him as our pick...

BNF
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I would add to that the following:

Last year he saw enough of the reality of NFL play to understand what he needs to do to be effective.

This year we will see if he improved in those areas. If he has improved enough in those areas to earn a spot on the team he should stay, otherwise his time in the NFL will almost be over.
 
doogle0868 said:
If Miami is the new Cleveland, then Gesicki is the new Tannehill.
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Looks like your one of our lemmings. I recommend a jolt of optimism.

If you can't find something in a year of change with a new coaching staff, a change in management and a lot of draft picks then you are missing out on some of the joys of being an NFL fan. Remember, you picked the team; the team didn't pick you. If all you can do is bring negativity, pick a team that isn't going somewhere. Anybody can pick a winner after they win a Superbowl. Real fans pick winners before they are winners.

Lemmings don't want winners...what fun can they have if there is nothing to complain about. May I recommend the Browns, Oakland or San Francisco if you want teams to complain about. Stay with the Dolphins and your dream of a perpetual loser is going to get smashed.
 
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