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Haskins and Lock are elite. That is not my opinion. It's a fact. They did it. They made themselves elite. Opinions and how somebody feels does not matter. What a lot of people think or I think does not matter. They are elite regardless.
I would like to follow up on this quote: What about Haskins and Locke make you call them "elite"? Elite college quarterbacks? If that's the case, wasn't Danny Weurfel an elite college quarterback? Are they elite based on measurables, college production? What is that quantifiable, measurable, objective standard that they have reached that makes it FACT that they are "elite"? It seems to me that any time any one labels any prospect "elite" that it is a matter of opinion, because many "elite" prospects have tanked in the pros(Ryan Leaf, Courtney Brown, Tony Mandarich). Elite college production, perhaps; I see that. To imply that Locke is elite seems to fly in the face of every single evaluation of him. Lots of doubts about his ability. It seems anyone who is elite will have few if any detractors.
If you mean they project to be elite pro quarterbacks, I have seen no one ranking them in the group of sure fire, can't miss QB prospects like Luck, Elway when he came out, Manning when he came out.
I would like to know how you have determined through facts that they are elite.
 
I would like to know how you have determined through facts that they are elite.

Are Haskins and Lock prototypical frame quarterbacks, Big quarterbacks?
Do they have a big arm and can zip the ball from far hash, or anywhere on the field, do we have that on the film with good frequency?
Do they have quick release?
Do they operate from the pocket?
Are they young, under 24 on draft day?

Let's start there. Answer that.
None of that has anything to do with what I think or anyone thinks. It's all on film and their measurables.
 
Are Haskins and Lock prototypical frame quarterbacks, Big quarterbacks?
Do they have a big arm and can zip the ball from far hash, or anywhere on the field, do we have that on the film with good frequency?
Do they have quick release?
Do they operate from the pocket?
Are they young, under 24 on draft day?

Let's start there. Answer that.
None of that has anything to do with what I think or anyone thinks. It's all on film and their measurables.

Plenty of college qbs can do that but they're not elite qbs.
 
Plenty of college qbs can do that but they're not elite qbs.

So you are saying yes?

They are big prototypical quarterbacks with big quick arm, can sling it all over the field, who are young, and play from the pocket?

We'll go further. Let's first establish that.
 
Pat White was an elite college QB
Ryan Leaf was an elite college QB
Jamarcus Russell, Tim Couch, Tim Tebow...

Haskins and Lock did well in college, doesn't mean anything in the NFL
 
Are Haskins and Lock prototypical frame quarterbacks, Big quarterbacks?
Do they have a big arm and can zip the ball from far hash, or anywhere on the field, do we have that on the film with good frequency?
Do they have quick release?
Do they operate from the pocket?
Are they young, under 24 on draft day?

Let's start there. Answer that.
None of that has anything to do with what I think or anyone thinks. It's all on film and their measurables.
It sounds like elite measurables- box checking. Which isn't a bad thing, but it sounds like you are just using a checklist to determine elitism. Chad Henne checked a lot of boxes, too.
Does that mean every WR that runs a 4.35 forty is a potential elite receiver?
They may be good, or coveted, but to me ELITE means potential hall of fame calibre. Why isn't every evaluator viewing these 2 QBs as elite?
 
It sounds like elite measurables- box checking. Which isn't a bad thing, but it sounds like you are just using a checklist to determine elitism. Chad Henne checked a lot of boxes, too.

Yes because we are looking at facts. Not opinions. And those boxes are not cardboard boxes, they are intrinsic facts about quarterbacks!
Do they check those intrinsic facts? No Chad Henne did not check the boxes. We'll get there. Answer that, are they big prototypical quarterbacks who can sling it like pros with big quick arm, play from the pocket, and are young?

No HoF is is you inserting your opinion on draft day, trying to be clairvoyant and say who will dominate the league. You do not know that and you cannot know that. We are not doing that. We are just evaluating quarterbacks now. Not after the draft day because after-the-draft has not happened. Five years from now has not happened yet.
 
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It sounds like elite measurables- box checking. Which isn't a bad thing, but it sounds like you are just using a checklist to determine elitism. Chad Henne checked a lot of boxes, too.
Does that mean every WR that runs a 4.35 forty is a potential elite receiver?
They may be good, or coveted, but to me ELITE means potential hall of fame calibre. Why isn't every evaluator viewing these 2 QBs as elite?
Yeah, he thinks measurables above all else
 
Facts, above all.

Are they young prototypical big quarterbacks with big quick arm who zip the ball all over the field, from the pocket?

Are you seriously stating that all that matters are measurables? I didn’t know there were people in the world that still thought that way. I mean, all available evidence says otherwise, but hey, you do you. Once you get that job with an NFL front office, I’m sure you’ll win 30 Super Bowls in a row with your omniscient level of football knowledge.
 
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