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All This Tanking Talk Is Sickening!!!

BigNastyFish said:
First of all, unlike Shula or even Gibbs, 100% of Belicheats success has been achieved with ONE QB.

Second, I find it pretty ridiculous to suddenly (and massively) believe it's ONLY the 1st QB taken in the draft

that's worthy -- or in some unfounded way -- guaranteed to be THE BEST at the position in relation to

EVERY other QB selected in cascading order! It's historically RUBBISH to think that's some kind of "fact."

#1 PRIME EXAMPLE: refer to the '83 draft of Marino!!!
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I'm not arguing that the 3rd or 4th QB drafted can't be good but I'd don't want to bank on it. We are gonna suck next year. If we are gonna suck lets get some benefit more than the 7th or 8th pick. I want all the odds in our favor to pick the right one. Honestly I'm not real giddy about Grier picking anything so I want him in the best scenario. One where he doesn't really have to make any guesses. That first pick will be a no brainier like when luck came out.
 
phinking said:
Since the firing of Adam Gase, it seems every member of the local media is in Tank for Tua mode. I wonder if these people realize what kind of message this sends. To me it sends the message to the coaches that they will get a pass in 2019 even if they show they are incompetent. It sends the message to the players that they don't have to go out there and give 100%. They should save their bodies for 2020. Above all, it sends the message that the local media here and the fans HAVE NO FREAKING STANDARDS!!!
This losing culture that has developed here in South Florida has been extremely frustrating. And the media along with many of our fans are to blame for this. If the Dolphins want to start over with a young team of players they draft and not overpay for players, fine. But for the media to suggest tanking, means they want the team to go out there and play the game just to play and not win. If the Miami Dolphins try to pull that nonsense, I hope the commissioner strips them of their first round pick. I'm serious about that.
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Some people confuse tanking with rebuilding, which is what we need to do and all indications thus far looks like a complete rebuild.

When a team is rebuilding it means they are planning for the future and are not making moves to "win now" Like trading for Odell Beckham Jr. or something or signing big name free agents.

If you are content with hovering around mediocrity then fine, but the rest of us would like to see the Dolphins competing for a championship in the future and if that means having a bad season to secure chances of landing a top QB prospect without trading the farm then so be it.

This team is clearly not built to make run this year in playoff, hence the "tanking/rebuilding".
 
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I am of the mind that those who are against tanking (Fitzpatrick at QB, rookies and UDFAs filling out the roster) are satisfied with 7-8 wins...

I'll wager that these posters are supporters of the man who hung his hat on getting us 7-8 wins a year (Tannehill).

This is no shot at Tannehill. This is a shot at those driving down Memory Lane...going slow...in the passing lane.

You can hope for a good season...win division, sweep Pat's, playoffs, Super Bowl...but you are fooling yourself trying to speak it into existence by poo-pooing the real possibility of a tank.
 
BobDole said:
They won't be throwing games, they're just not gonna mortgage the future on this coming season, like they've been doing for the last umpteen years. It'll be 1 bad season to get rid of the stench of the 8-8 circlejerk that's been haunting the fins for a quarter century. So freaking worth it.

It's just a temporary reset to get things back in order, that's all. They'll be trying to win ... just not with expensive/older players. And if it lands us a franchise QB ... brilliant.
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You can't "have your cake and eat it at the same time", which is what a reset is.

All resets are total resets, there is no such thing as half a reset. If you don't believe me, try doing 1/2 a reset on your computer!!!

This is different from unclogging a bad monetary situation. Even then a team must be judicious in who they keep or let go. There is a balancing act between what we pay and what we get. This is because there are not enough 1st string NFL caliber players to go around.

So instead of playing around with semantics, why don't we say we want to have the best team we can field given our cap and contract situations?

So far, from what I've seen on this forum, people are actually wanting to tank but are trying to be "politically correct" by saying something like "reset".

Bah Humbug. Just go for as many wins as you can get, because you are not going to get many chances.
 
outlawd2u said:
The players wont just mail it in and not try... they need to play well to get their next big contract.
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In general I agree, but some prima donna players try to get teams to support plays that enhance that players stock, rather then bite the bullet and support the play called.

If I can see this, I'm sure some of our more knowledgeable posters are aware of it.
 
phins_4_ever said:
Media is feeding fans based on what they like to talk about. There are some fans who think that "tanking" is the only solution to advance. It is really not a viable option nor is it done in real life.

Pretty much everybody (Flores, Grier, Ross) has said that we are not tanking. The only thing we have done is get rid of bloated contracts with a lack of production compared to the value of the contracts. Something we all wanted to see in the past.

We won't be very good next year but that is expected with a rebuilding project. But we are also not tanking.
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I agree with every thing you said, with one exception.

We may or may not be very good next year.

If we are good, and I think that should be our goal, then great. If we aren't, then we need to keep making changes that will help us. Some of the changes we are making with regards to bloated contracts this year will have a greater effect next year on our cap position, which will let us spend more money on many players rather then huge amounts on a few players. This is not tanking, but more in line with unclogging the money pipeline.

This is always a never ending cycle, but the better we control it the more we set ourselves up to win. You don't have to tank to control the cycle, just keep making as many good decisions as possible.
 
Phindog said:
What universe do you live in to think that Tua is so god like that he if someone offered 2019 1st and 2nd 2020 1st and 2nd and a 2021 (1st) that an offer wouldn't be considered?

You don't remember blockbuster trades of the past???

Let me clarify. I dont want Tua that much I'm just stating if we were the 9th pick over all and our coaches wanted Tua bad, the # 1 is reachable for any team period not alone where the Phins should land next year draft wise.

Hence the term, give up the farm.
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I agree. Its that other guys approach that gets teams into trouble, not out of trouble.
 
Ray R said:
So far, from what I've seen on this forum, people are actually wanting to tank but are trying to be "politically correct" by saying something like "reset".
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That's not true. A lot of people want to lose as many games as possible just to get Tua and see that as the answer to all the problems, while others accept that losing records will be an inevitability while clearing out bad contracts and rebuilding the roster through the draft, with or without Tua. Those are not the same thing, hence the use of terms like 'reset' and 'managed decline' to describe the latter and differentiate it from the former. It's got nothing to do with 'political correctness'.
 
meatpardle said:
That's not true. A lot of people want to lose as many games as possible just to get Tua and see that as the answer to all the problems, while others accept that losing records will be an inevitability while clearing out bad contracts and rebuilding the roster through the draft, with or without Tua. Those are not the same thing, hence the use of terms like 'reset' and 'managed decline' to describe the latter and differentiate it from the former. It's got nothing to do with 'political correctness'.
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You are correct in that many here want to "tank" and don't mince words. For the tankers out there, my position is that I totally disagree with the "tank" concept.

My complaint is with the "word mincers" who say they are not in for tanking when their terminology i.e. "reset" means to tank. This really gets my goat.

For the "it's just a one or two year reset" poster, your trying to sneak through a line of crup and I'm calling you on it because you can't win points in a discussion when you misrepresent your position. Resetting means tanking no matter how you try to disguise it.
 
I hope they play their hearts out and still lose 13+ games so this team can secure top choices throughout the draft.
 
NJ Dolphan said:
Do you have a realistic alternative plan to get back to being at least a perennial playoff team? If it involves using a lot of capital to get the QB this year, you’d be complaining that the team did not plan to have the infrastructure in place for whoever that is to succeed when we’re right back to looking for his successor four years from now.
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Yes I do have an idea. Give Arizona our first pick this season for QB Josh Rosen, sign free agent G Quinton Spain and use the rest of the 2019 draft on Defensive Linemen. If the coaches are any good, the Dolphins would win 9 games which would keep the fanbase excited. Then in 2020, go for the best available player in round one. The rest of the draft they can go for what they feel they need.
 
1) In hindsight, was it a good idea to fire Sparano in 2011 when we were 0-7? At that point we were the leaders in the clubhouse to get the top pick. Replacing Sparano at that point wasn't going to win us anything meaningful, it could only hurt our chances at getting a QB who was considered a generational talent, so why do it?

2) The mess we find ourselves in right now was predictable and Ross is mostly to blame with his constant mixed messages and half measures.

3) The Colts looked like they were tanking after the first 5 or 6 games last season and nobody took issue with it. Then with great coaching and good QB play they turned it around.

4) And finally you don't have to actively try to lose to pull off a successful tank-job. What you do is take a more high risk/high reward approach. Like when the Colts played for a win or loss instead of a tie in OT last season.

Fitzpatrick doesn't help our chances at doing something meaningful this season over an unknown QB like McCarron. If Fitzpatrick plays all 16 games he'll get us 4-7 wins nine times out of ten. On the other hand McCarron is unknown, maybe he's great, maybe he's terrible but for me I'll take a free roll at being great or terrible (which is also great because you get the booby prize of having the top pick) over bad to average any day.

And if you really wanted to squeeze out a few extra wins at the cost of everything else you should have signed Foles, or traded for Dalton or Flacco. Or just kept Gase and Tannehill for another season.
 
phinking said:
Yes I do have an idea. Give Arizona our first pick this season for QB Josh Rosen, sign free agent G Quinton Spain and use the rest of the 2019 draft on Defensive Linemen. If the coaches are any good, the Dolphins would win 9 games which would keep the fanbase excited. Then in 2020, go for the best available player in round one. The rest of the draft they can go for what they feel they need.
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This is a different topic but is Rosen really worth our first pick? We lose a year on a real first round QB selection on the contract and he looked like doo-doo. I think he's only worth a second at this point, at most.
 
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