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The only reason I can see us going OL at 13 is the fact that since Grier has been here we've only been successful with lineman from the 1st round. Our scouting department is absolutely horrible at identifying OL talent beyond the 1st round.

Well, rather than going OL in the first round I'd suggest replacing the scouting department! And, IMO, they're not very good in the first round either! I think that the last very good o-lineman they drafted in the first round was Jake Long... no one else has come close to being as good as him.
 
Well, rather than going OL in the first round I'd suggest replacing the scouting department! And, IMO, they're not very good in the first round either! I think that the last very good o-lineman they drafted in the first round was Jake Long... no one else has come close to being as good as him.

great plan, the draft is in a little more than 3 weeks, I suggest we get to firing the scouting department ASAP.... :eyepop:
 
great plan, the draft is in a little more than 3 weeks, I suggest we get to firing the scouting department ASAP.... :eyepop:

Of course it's too late now... I meant that the idiots making the decisions should have already been replaced! Although, they won't replace the idiot who hired Philbin, Gase, or Tannenbaum!
 
Defense in today's ruleset has changed fundamentally. It's not really about dominating and 3-and-outs. Today it's about generating a good set of 3 downs to stop the opposing offense before they score a TD, or generating a turnover.

Defenses can't regularly dominate the way they used to in a run-first league. With the rules changing to make it so much easier for the offense (protecting the QB from hits, disallowing DB's from using their hands downfield, etc.) it is a lot easier to pass, and offenses are scoring more. Defenses can't regularly shut teams down. Sure, a few teams for a few games, definitely. But on a league-wide level no. No defense can shut down EVERY team in the NFL anymore, because the variety is too great. For instance, if they have the team speed to clamp down on short passing games, they're vulnerable to the Harbaugh-esque power pig football and deep ball.

So, it's not about the DL playing every play, it's about having those elite DL who can generate enough of those impact plays so that you cause a lot of the takeaways and sets of 3 downs worth of impact plays to prevent TD's. OL is about consistency these days … the OL is expected to win consistently and is graded on how often they are inconsistent. The DL is expected to lose, and is graded on how many exceptional plays they can make an impact.
Impact post! This is so true. Plus building a good/great defense is hard to sustain. Eventually, you have to pay players and how many can you keep?

It's another reason why having a top 10 caliber quarterback is so important. That gives a team a longer window. You are going to pay and keep that quarterback.

Fans talk a lot about the New England model. That essentially starts with Tom Brady. Everything around him changes every few years.
 
I don't know how these new englands coach go bring sytems that work for N.E to dolphins without QB like Brady.
 
Impact post! This is so true. Plus building a good/great defense is hard to sustain. Eventually, you have to pay players and how many can you keep?

It's another reason why having a top 10 caliber quarterback is so important. That gives a team a longer window. You are going to pay and keep that quarterback.

Fans talk a lot about the New England model. That essentially starts with Tom Brady. Everything around him changes every few years.
Spot on as usual @SF Dolphin Fan , it's not that the New England offense is particularly good, it's that it is tailored around what Tom Brady does well. So if we're going to run that kind of offense, we need to draft a very specific type of QB. That type of QB isn't in this draft. But, hopefully we'll get one of the guys who can play that style in the 2020 draft, because there are going to be some there.
 
Spot on as usual @SF Dolphin Fan , it's not that the New England offense is particularly good, it's that it is tailored around what Tom Brady does well. So if we're going to run that kind of offense, we need to draft a very specific type of QB. That type of QB isn't in this draft. But, hopefully we'll get one of the guys who can play that style in the 2020 draft, because there are going to be some there.
It's a chicken and egg situation - do you draft a QB to fit a system you like or design a system that makes the most of a QB you like? If the assumption is that the Patriot's system was developed for and evolved around Brady and the even bigger (stupider?) assumption is that we are going to copy that then wouldn't we take the latter approach of finding our QB and then fine tuning the system? I would imagine that's more likely to be successful than trying to wait for the right QB to perfectly fit an existing system.
 
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Spot on as usual @SF Dolphin Fan , it's not that the New England offense is particularly good, it's that it is tailored around what Tom Brady does well. So if we're going to run that kind of offense, we need to draft a very specific type of QB. That type of QB isn't in this draft. But, hopefully we'll get one of the guys who can play that style in the 2020 draft, because there are going to be some there.
I think the front office has a good plan in place. It would be nice to actually have some talent on the offensive line before you bring in your franchise quarterback. As much as fans have talked about missing on quarterbacks, missing on the offensive line has probably been more problematic. It essentially made it hard for quarterbacks to develop to their full potential with Miami.

I agree 2020 is probably the best bet with Tua, Fromm, Love and Herbert. I think Haskins could fit that NE style as well, but not holding my breath that he'll make it to #13 or close enough to trade for.

I would be very happy with a draft that focuses on physical players in the trenches.
 
It's a chicken and egg situation - do you draft a QB to fit a system you like or design a system that makes the most of a QB you like? If the assumption is that the Patriot's system was developed for and evolved around Brady and the even bigger (stupider?) assumption is that we are going to copy that then wouldn't we take the latter approach of finding our QB and then fine tuning the system? I would imagine that's more likely to be successful than trying to wait for the right QB to perfectly fit an existing system.
That decision was already made. You chose a Coach who had a vision of his coaching staff and their systems. In this day and age it would be folly to draft the players and then look to build a coaching staff out piece by piece to maximize the players. The game is too complex. The first and most important piece is the coaching staff. Then you draft players to fit those systems … like 100% of the NFL does.

Once you have those players, if you're considering changing out a coach, a unit (e.g. OL or entire offense scheme) then you scramble to add coaches who can maximize your talent, sure. But in a rebuild, you start with the coach and his philosophy. Getting good coaches is even harder than getting good players. You can't simply offer more money and get who you want. They have preferences, relationships, and comfort levels with certain other coaches, systems, styles, and philosophies, not to mention personalities.

Now if you find a great coach, he might be able to adapt his systems to the players, like Don Shula was the master at doing. But those coaches are incredibly rare and unavailable except in extremely rare circumstances. I think right now, we've done the best with what was available … we chose a head coach who we believe in, that is a good manager, has experience across almost every function, and can attract a very strong coaching staff. But it does come at a price … it means we'll be using those systems. He got so many Patriots-connected coaches because he is going to run those systems.

Just the way it is. If you want a good coach, you need to allow him to implement his philosophy, or any coach good enough to have options will go elsewhere.
 
I think the front office has a good plan in place. It would be nice to actually have some talent on the offensive line before you bring in your franchise quarterback. As much as fans have talked about missing on quarterbacks, missing on the offensive line has probably been more problematic. It essentially made it hard for quarterbacks to develop to their full potential with Miami.

I agree 2020 is probably the best bet with Tua, Fromm, Love and Herbert. I think Haskins could fit that NE style as well, but not holding my breath that he'll make it to #13 or close enough to trade for.

I would be very happy with a draft that focuses on physical players in the trenches.
I agree with all of that except the Haskins part. While Haskins is one of the best available in the 2019 draft to fit out system … he's still not a good fit. Definitely prefer to wait until 2020, for the guys you've mentioned.

Your point about the OL is huge. It is often said that a young QB's biggest ally is a running game, so finding guys who can open up those holes and also protect the QB so he can concentrate on reading coverages, is a wise move.
 
You won't make every catch when your QB is throwing into a coverage. The defense has a job to do as well. Lock was trying far too hard this year, and his stats show it. He basically had the same team the previous year, and thought he could come back and improve his draft position with a better year. To his surprise, Haskins and Murray messed that up.
Well right, he does take the risks, but he's got the pocket presence, mobility, and arm... and those WRs still dropped a lot of his catch-able balls. I still have Lock over Haskins... Haskins has definitely learn-able traits, but I feel Lock is a bit more developed and can throw a deep ball. Haskins likes to overthrow a lot.
 
...all this complicated talk is (forgive me) a bunch of hot air hype BS crap!

Let's solve the OL riddle this draft and address/solve he DL as well.

For once in like 30 years -- start a job and finish it!

After that -- address the QB and DBs next year.

After that -- fix/tweak the rest.

But for frogs snakes -- get the focking OL fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!

And no more surgically repaired "enhanced" droids like Long!
 
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