For Or Against The Tank ..with Poll.

multistage said:

And that’s my point: if we do land Tua, there’s no guarantee that he’ll be that guy.

Marino is (in my opinion) the greatest passing QB to ever play the game. Bar none, records be damned. I grew up watching that guy.

So there you go guys!! There’s your awesome QB!!

Who took us to one Super Bowl.

One.

That we lost.

This is not a reflection on Marino, not at all. This proves that while you may have an elite QB (which we surely did for 16 years!), you must have a complete team around him.

Was Flacco elite? How about Dilfer? Were they worthy of carrying Marino’s cleats?

I don’t think so. But they do have rings because they had better teams than Dan did.

I don’t think Brady is what the world thinks he is. Oh, he’s mighty good. But not in Marino’s class. This is not old fashioned Brady hating talk. It’s how I see it. But he is ALWAYS surrounded by a strong team. Brady doesn’t take NE to the Super Bowl. The whole team takes NE to the Super Bowl.

So yeah, we need a QB. Badly. And soon.

But it would be idiocy to tank and sell the farm to get one, with no promise that the guy we get is worth the price.

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People make the point of showing how many SB winning QBs are/were elite. No arguing that. The problem is there are VERY few elite QBs and continually trying to upgrade for one is just as likely to lead to a mediocre team than doing noting. Like you, I'm not saying not to try, but to be satisfied with a top 10 QB.

while elite QBs win most SBs, the list of QBs IN the SB shows it's a team game. Consider recent history, McNabb, Grossman, Eli (more than once), Flacco, Kaep, Russell, Newton, Peyton (when he was no longer elite), Foles, Goff. That's a lot of teams who got there WITHOUT an elite QB. My point is, fans should TRY for an elite QB, but be happy with a top 10 QB. There's a reason perpetual playoff teams don't draft QBs in R1.

Now, we know Miami is NOT a perpetual playoff team and trying for a top QB is reasonable. Few will argue against that. I'm not against a tank, but I fear there are some who want an eternal tank until Miami gets an elite QB.

100% for it. I am all aboard the Tua train, and as an alternate, I like Herbert and Fromm more than this year's QB class sans Murray.

Perfect72 said:

In it to WIN IT!

You play to WIN the Game!

Don't like the JEST, but Ole Herm summed it up pretty good.



My personal belief is whatever you do in life do your very best and let the chips fall.

If Tanking is the attitude, then declare to the NFL that you are forfeiting every game for 2019.

At least you would be honest and you would not risk getting anybody hurt in a game and could spend all of 2019 practicing and scouting College, CFL, AAFL, XFL, UPS & FedEx for players for 2020.

That's EXACTLY how ludicrous tanking sounds.

Dad doesn't believe in it, America won't do it and neither should the Dolphins.

TRY your best to win! See what happens.
2007 Dolphins 1-15
2008 Dolphins 11-5 - Greatest Turnaound in NFL History!
Try to do something special - Be remembered for something other than giving up!

Don't really care if I get flamed by those proposing the "Logic" of Tanking.

Tanking is just a Loser mentality in my opinion and not something I'm willing to subscribe to.

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I guess perpetually going 8-8 has you all high siditty about that 1 extra win we may get that puts us in the Wildcats mix for another 5-10 years?

The constant mediocrity has built up such a level of cachet in your Phins world that it has become acceptable?

I'm tired of being the battered wife who's afraid to dump her abusive husband because I'm afraid of being alone.

DPhinz_DPhinz said:

I guess perpetually going 8-8 has you all high siditty about that 1 extra win we may get that puts us in the Wildcats mix for another 5-10 years?

The constant mediocrity has built up such a level of cachet in your Phins world that it has become acceptable?

I'm tired of being the battered wife who's afraid to dump her abusive husband because I'm afraid of being alone.

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Stop with these horseshit post, plenty of teams have moved up to get there QBs without giving up the farm.

allsilverdreams said:

Players don't have to play less than 100 % to tank,you just need coaches to call the wrong plays or formations .make no half time ajustments.poor clock management fair catching a ball inside your 5yard line.
There are ways around making the players give less than everything.

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The problem is that players will notice and it’s not going to sit well with them. Hence, the coaches threaten their careers. They won’t do that.

multistage said:

And that’s my point: if we do land Tua, there’s no guarantee that he’ll be that guy.

Marino is (in my opinion) the greatest passing QB to ever play the game. Bar none, records be damned. I grew up watching that guy.

So there you go guys!! There’s your awesome QB!!

Who took us to one Super Bowl.

One.

That we lost.

This is not a reflection on Marino, not at all. This proves that while you may have an elite QB (which we surely did for 16 years!), you must have a complete team around him.

Was Flacco elite? How about Dilfer? Were they worthy of carrying Marino’s cleats?

I don’t think so. But they do have rings because they had better teams than Dan did.

I don’t think Brady is what the world thinks he is. Oh, he’s mighty good. But not in Marino’s class. This is not old fashioned Brady hating talk. It’s how I see it. But he is ALWAYS surrounded by a strong team. Brady doesn’t take NE to the Super Bowl. The whole team takes NE to the Super Bowl.

So yeah, we need a QB. Badly. And soon.

But it would be idiocy to tank and sell the farm to get one, with no promise that the guy we get is worth the price.

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You had me until you said Brady is not in Marino’s class. He without a doubt is.

superphin said:

I'm for stopping the big money free agent signings and pretending we're 1-2 players away from competing like when we signed Suh. I'm for stopping putting a bandaid on long term problems like when we signed a 32 year old Sitton. I'm for fixing the cap by getting rid of bloated contracts. If that's called tanking than tank away.

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Hahaha what an image. I am all for getting all these salaries off of the books at this point. I’m not for trying to lose or being 1-15 because as we know, that doesn’t guarantee future success (Jake Long, Ronnie Brown). So get the books in order, develop the young guys, be competitive, find a QB somehow and be ready to go on a shopping spree a year or two from now.

Spiff said:

The problem is that players will notice and it’s not going to sit well with them. Hence, the coaches threaten their careers. They won’t do that.


You had me until you said Brady is not in Marino’s class. He without a doubt is.

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I think Multi means he’s not a QB that could carry a crap team on his back the way Marino and even Peyton could. Better comparison for Brady is Montana - felt same way about him. These guys are / were the ultimate system QBs and executed those systems flawlessly. However, for the most part, they had all world players and coaches around them - and the main thing is that their coaches realized they needed to build a system for them to run vs make them “the system”. I always think of that classic Bill Walsh quote.

How can you be for or against something that isnt happening?

Adam Strange said:

As if bouncing between 6-10 and 9-7 doesn’t involve plenty of losing, with nothing to show for it.

Last time this team won a playoff game Bill Clinton was in office. Nobody who isn’t post-college age can even remember the Dolphins winning in the first round. And you have to be in your 30s to remember this team winning a playoff game past the first round.

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I remember the Dolphins losing in Super Bowls.

Regardless if you're for or against the Tank, they have no choice but to coach their our young players and see what works. We've resigned some injured OL and downgraded at qb given the skill set that would be needed to succeed. Will them all you want to win, but they're no better than a 4-6 win team which would unfortunately land them in the low first round. So I support what would be the most logical thing to do this season.

Cant wait till we get our 1st win..then our second..our third...and so on so this can just all go away. Im convinced anyone wanting their beloved team to lose isnt truly a fan deep down. Just a bunch of guys tinking with hypotheticals at the expense of being inferior.

lurking said:

Stop with these horseshit post, plenty of teams have moved up to get there QBs without giving up the farm.

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I had you on ignore...

Thought I was being petty because you were intentionally being obtuse...now I regret not keeping you there.

Who said anything about giving up the farm? This thread is about tanking, which removes the need for giving up anything.

Stop posting just to say something. Have something to say.

Now...back to ignore you go.

napsndreds said:

How can you be for or against something that isnt happening?

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you ever hear of global warming

Here's where Ross's remarks were interpreted as tanking which in fact meant rebuilding.
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Stephen Ross raised some eyebrows during a Dec. 31 news conference:

Ross said "Adam Gase "wanted to win and win now" and that the Dolphins were taking a different approach -- one that included a rebuild -- to escape mediocrity.

Ross "If it takes a year or so, two years, three years, we're going to be there," Ross said at the time.

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Grier said, " There's no tanking,, It's hard when you say you want tough, competitive guys who love ball and you bring them in and say, 'Hey, let's not do it this year. Let's just relax and enjoy this year and we'll come back next year and be tough and competitive.'

Grier did again Wednesday with a more definite response:

Grier "Everyone took Steve's words in the press conference out of context," Grier said. "You've been around Steve -- he's a volatile, very competitive person. We're not trying to lose games. We're going to do what's best.

"We're not trying to tank or lose every game. We're trying to build it right and see how it plays out."

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Flores said " There's no tanking. You can write that over and over and over again,"

"The term tanking, I think it's disrespectful to the game

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https://phinphanatic.com/2019/02/27/miami-dolphins-chris-grier-not-tanking-trying-lose/

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26094004/dolphins-gm-not-tanking-19-rebuild

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26365536/fins-coach-tanking-disrespectful-game

nate5413 said:

Stop the big free agent spending and go young and see where we land. If its 6-10 or 2-14 so be it

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Exactly! The question is wrong. It's not a matter of tanking vs not tanking, it's a matter of doing things right vs doing them with their head up their butt. The final w/l record is immaterial.

If it is "Tank for Tua" I am all in. If it is tank for anyone else next year, I vote no. The past 15 year with rotating QBs, followed by the Henne-Tannehill decade has been brutal being a Dolphin fan which I've been since 1972 (F*ck I'm getting old!)

Before 2004 Miami was the top franchise in winning percentage for all teams in major sports (NFL, NBA, MLB).

My view is if the Dolphins don't have a top 10 QB then they have QB problems. I think Tua is already a top 5 passer at the NFL level. His ability to throw the ball down the field on a dime is better than any college QB I've seen. No matter how many repetitions 99.9% of QBs do, they won't replicate the kind of accuracy he has down the field. Not only does he check all the boxes I put X & O's in most of them.

If Miami messes up and misses on Tua next year I would be all in on "Lousy for Lawerence" in 2021.

Within 2-ish years Brady, Brees, Roethlesberger, Rivers will be aging out and Rodgers and Ryan aren't too far behind. Barring injury and if Tua and Lawerence go to a quality organization with a decent supporting cast I see those two as near locks to join ranks of Luck, Wilson, Mahomes, Mayfield and Watson as the future top 10 at the QB position...

Wentz, Goff, Prescott in the neighborhood and too early to tell for Trubinsky, Darnold and Allen. Who knows about Murray, Haskins, Hebert or Fromm yet.