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Draft Wishlist/ Do Not Draft List

BlueFin said:
Yes... let’s keep avoiding QB’s and get more picks that mostly won’t contribute.
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I know that this will probably fall on deaf ears with many on this board but what is the sense in sacrificing valuable draft capital and getting a QB in this year's draft that "just might" work for the future of the team while not addressing the trenches? I am not saying that you personally have advocated for it but many on this board have used the "do whatever it takes" to move up and get a QB this year. I don't subscribe to that line of thinking since I think they need a more methodical approach to filling as many holes in core positions before they address the QB position. If the trenches are bad this year and next because the team trades away all the draft capital to take a flyer on a QB this year, just to take a QB, what good is that QB going to do for the future of the team when he is running for his life or the defense can't stop the opponent and they aren't able to keep up in a shoot-out.

There is an article on CBS today about regrading the 2016 draft. Many say that we should be more like the Patriots but read that article and see what a colossal failure their draft was while the Dolphins' draft still looks pretty good in hindsight. In fact, the Patriots have swung and missed more in their drafts than many are willing to admit. https://expo.masslive.com/erry-2018/04/410234af9b3666/new_england_patriots_nfl_draft.html

Sure the Dolphins have been boneheads in their free agency signings for the past few years but the current regime seems to have a solid plan in ridding the team of those contracts and getting back to basics. Personally, I like what I am seeing and I hope that the discipline carries over to the draft and the rest of the off season and we see the team build a solid foundation. Once they do, then I would say "do whatever it takes" to get a franchise QB if that is the last piece needed.
 
WANT (any of these guys): DT Dexter Lawrence, DT Christian Wilkins, QB Kyler Murray, LB Devin White, LB Devin Bush, DE/OLB Brian Burns, G/C Eric McCoy, G/C Connor McGovern, LB T.J. Edwards, CB Julian Love, DE Chase Winovich, QB Easton Stick, DE/OLB Oshane Ximines, DE/OLB Charles Omenihu, G Chris Lindstrom, G Alex Bars, SS Juan Thornhill, RB Benny Snell, RB Bryce Love, FS/SS Amani Hooker, LB Te'Von Coney, C Tyler Biadasz, C Elgton Jenkins, RT Kaleb McGary, G Ben Powers, G Dru Samia, RT Yodney Cajuste, DT Olive Sagopolu, QB Tyree Jackson, WR Miles Boykin, RT Tyler Roemer, CB Lonnie Johnson, Jr., CB Rock Ya-Sin, CB Joejuan Williams, LB Kalhil Hodge, CB Savion Smith, CB Blessuan Austin, OT/G Bobby Evans, G/C Ross Pierschbacher, LB Koron Crump, DT Ed Alexander, FB Winston Dimel.

DON'T WANT: QB Daniel Jones, WR D.K. Metcalf, DT Daniel Wise, OT Mitch Hyatt.
 
hoops said:
I think Dillard’s a left tackle only therefore I do not want.

I think rashan Gary’s college production for the athlete level is scary plus I’m not sure I see outside shoulder win therefore I hope he’s gone in front of us and not an option.

I don’t want drew lock Id like something I consider a more sure thing. And I don’t like tbe conference tape.

Clelin Ferrell is another guy that I don’t think gives you enough outside shoulder win on the edge to validate a top 15 pick. His overall game is very solid but pure edge pass rush win I think it’s a sketchy thing. Uses his length well but I’ve seen where if length is the best thing you have going for you in terms of outside shoulder win it doesn’t translate very well vs nfl athlete tackles in terms of pure finish production. They will run you right by the qb.

Eric metcalfs 3 cone I think I’d avoid. Speed cuts and vertical concepts in his future.

I will pass on jaylon Ferguson also. Early.

Brian burns I think is an ideal 34 olb. So that depends on can I find snaps in my scheme. And by snaps to validate that high a pick it means every down. The height helps the poa play does not

I’m in the boat that thinks I can get similar edge production schematically not having to invest top draft pick capitol in it. With some exceptions
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Agree with most of this. Why LT only for Dillard, though?
 
MiamiDolfan85 said:
Cant lie, Haskins would do for me if possible

EDIT: The thing I like the most is he seems to either get the most/make his teammate better. Rare in a QB.
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Plus, some of his best games were against the best teams. That says a lot. I do wish he were more athletic and a little better at avoiding the rush, but I think his arm talent and accuracy is close to elite.
 
I've seen the names pop up a couple of time, but I can't be one of the few who sees the high "bust" (I don't like that word as it indicates complete failure when more often then not it is simply a player not living up to their draft position)...of Gary and Sweat? There is just something when I watch them, that doesn't feel, or look...great. I mean, they are ridiculous physical specimens and yet they don't dominate.

Is there something I am missing?
 
FSU Truth said:
I've seen the names pop up a couple of time, but I can't be one of the few who sees the high "bust" (I don't like that word as it indicates complete failure when more often then not it is simply a player not living up to their draft position)...of Gary and Sweat? There is just something when I watch them, that doesn't feel, or look...great. I mean, they are ridiculous physical specimens and yet they don't dominate.

Is there something I am missing?
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What you're describing is called the DION JORDAN syndrome. It can sneak up on ya. ;)
 
LargoFin said:
Want: Lock, Haskins in first round, and even Ryan Finley, Will Grier, Manny Wilkins at 13.

Do not want: Anything else in first round. Do not want a first round pick at all if they won't select a QB, do not need it. They can wipe their arse with that first round pick.
Do not want or need Minkah, or Harris or anyone else they drafted in first round in last several decades and they plan on drafting, other than a QB.
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Ryan Finley over a guy like Minkah? When I read your posts I read them in Alex Jones voice cuz they’re so angry and ludicrous
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Agree with most of this. Why LT only for Dillard, though?
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Probably about strength. Everything I see says left tackle ideal anything else plan b from foot work to foot speed to short area lateral quickness. If I drafted him top 15 it would be as a starting left tackle.

The one concern I think is he can lack consistency despite the athlete on a snap to snap basis. That and strength for anything other than left tackle.

In some ways I get a Jason spriggs coming out prospect vibe. Similar consistency issues at the senior bowl. That would be the worst case scenario obviously. Best case being a David bahktiari.

I think his floor is probably Houston’s 1st round pick. The athlete was very apparent at the combine.
 
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Michigan Mike said:
I know that this will probably fall on deaf ears with many on this board but what is the sense in sacrificing valuable draft capital and getting a QB in this year's draft that "just might" work for the future of the team while not addressing the trenches? I am not saying that you personally have advocated for it but many on this board have used the "do whatever it takes" to move up and get a QB this year. I don't subscribe to that line of thinking since I think they need a more methodical approach to filling as many holes in core positions before they address the QB position. If the trenches are bad this year and next because the team trades away all the draft capital to take a flyer on a QB this year, just to take a QB, what good is that QB going to do for the future of the team when he is running for his life or the defense can't stop the opponent and they aren't able to keep up in a shoot-out.

There is an article on CBS today about regrading the 2016 draft. Many say that we should be more like the Patriots but read that article and see what a colossal failure their draft was while the Dolphins' draft still looks pretty good in hindsight. In fact, the Patriots have swung and missed more in their drafts than many are willing to admit. https://expo.masslive.com/erry-2018/04/410234af9b3666/new_england_patriots_nfl_draft.html

Sure the Dolphins have been boneheads in their free agency signings for the past few years but the current regime seems to have a solid plan in ridding the team of those contracts and getting back to basics. Personally, I like what I am seeing and I hope that the discipline carries over to the draft and the rest of the off season and we see the team build a solid foundation. Once they do, then I would say "do whatever it takes" to get a franchise QB if that is the last piece needed.
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The quarterback should NEVER be the last piece needed... because he is the first and most important piece.

Point being... when you have a shot to get the QB you think has it... you go get him... you don’t wait... the other positions are easy to fill around him in comparison.

The mistake this team has repeated since Dan Marino is passing on chances at hall of fame QB’s trying to fill those holes you speak of.
 
BlueFin said:
The quarterback should NEVER be the last piece needed... because he is the first and most important piece.

Point being... when you have a shot to get the QB you think has it... you go get him... you don’t wait... the other positions are easy to fill around him in comparison.

The mistake this team has repeated since Dan Marino is passing on chances at hall of fame QB’s trying to fill those holes you speak of.
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Part of that problem is when they reach for guys who don't have it.

That's when you end up with guys like John Beck, Chad Henne, and Ryan Tannehill.

Next year is the year you get your qb. This year's crop is just too flawed.
 
Avigatorx said:
Part of that problem is when they reach for guys who don't have it.

That's when you end up with guys like John Beck, Chad Henne, and Ryan Tannehill.

Next year is the year you get your qb. This year's crop is just too flawed.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.

Drafting a QB just to draft a QB is misguided at best.
 
FSU Truth said:
I've seen the names pop up a couple of time, but I can't be one of the few who sees the high "bust" (I don't like that word as it indicates complete failure when more often then not it is simply a player not living up to their draft position)...of Gary and Sweat? There is just something when I watch them, that doesn't feel, or look...great. I mean, they are ridiculous physical specimens and yet they don't dominate.

Is there something I am missing?
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Those types scare me as well. But sometimes it's a matter of coaching. From what I understand, Gary wasn't used to the best of his abilities at Michigan. I don't know about Sweat.
 
BlueFin said:
The quarterback should NEVER be the last piece needed... because he is the first and most important piece.

Point being... when you have a shot to get the QB you think has it... you go get him... you don’t wait... the other positions are easy to fill around him in comparison.

The mistake this team has repeated since Dan Marino is passing on chances at hall of fame QB’s trying to fill those holes you speak of.
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I'm all for going and getting your QB but not in a lackluster QB draft with a much better one coming next year. Not to mention with how terrible this team is right now. We literally have 3 holes on the dline. And 3 holes on the oline that we need starters for. Not to upgrade depth. Not to improve starters we currently have. Just starters. Haskins or lock aren't speeding up this rebuild.
 
Gary cannot bend the edge, he is not flexible enough, to dip the shoulder and bend.

Here he is lined up over right tackle. Then, if he wants to stick his foot and turn right, he needs to use his hands, swat the hands of the tackle and turn, but he does not do that either, so the technique is poor too.

https://media.giphy.com/media/AFY21lvQg2GLIG8yv6/giphy.gif


Look at Chase Winovich, that's how it's done. Engage, swat hands, dip shoulder, turn up, get flat. All in one motion, smooth as a butter. Takes, hands, feet, speed, quickness, body control. Gary does not have that.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3dkZ6imefx7Yg0Ibf7/giphy.gif


Gary and Sweat should play to their strengths, defend the edge, cover TEs in straight line speed, sideline to sideline, and create some pressure a little bit, but they are not pass rush specialists.
 
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