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These qbs vs the first round qbs the last few drafts? And vs the potential qbs in the upcoming drafts?

Current
2019
Murray
Haskins
Lock

Past
2018
Mayfield
Darnold
Rosen

2017
Trubisky
Mahomes
Watson

Upcoming
2020
Tua
Fromm
Herbert

2021
Lawrence...
 
Lawrence
Mahomes
Watson
Tua
Mayfield
Murray
Darnold
Fromm
Trubisky
Haskins
Herbert
Rosen
Lock

Is my attempt, what do you think
 
I know Tua is the obvious target for next year(I have not really seen Herbert)but I think Fromm is going to be a great NFL QB.

He reminds me of Brady in that he is competitive, accurate and efficient. He is a leader and a winner.
 
Probably something like...

Kyler Murray
Patrick Mahomes
Baker Mayfield
Tua Tagovailoa
Trevor Lawrence
DeShaun Watson
Jordan Love
Josh Allen
Jake Fromm
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Dwayne Haskins
Justin Herbert
Drew Lock
Mitchell Trubisky

You rank Murray that high? So you would do whatever necessary to go get him if possible?

Or would you still build talent first w the likelihood we finish in a high draft pick position?
And have a good shot at getting Tua or Fromm ext year w a stronger base.
 
Trevor Lawrence

Patrick Mahomes

Baker Mayfield

Tua Tagovailoa

Kyler Murray

Jake Fromm

Justin Herbert

Josh Allen

Jordan Love

DeShaun Watson

Drew Lock

Sam Darnold

Josh Rosen

Dwayne Haskins

Mitchell Trubisky
 
Probably something like...

Kyler Murray
Patrick Mahomes
Baker Mayfield
Tua Tagovailoa
Trevor Lawrence
DeShaun Watson
Jordan Love
Josh Allen
Jake Fromm
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Dwayne Haskins
Justin Herbert
Drew Lock
Mitchell Trubisky
I haven't delved deeply into the 2020 group yet so hard for me to say on those guys. Lawrence and Tagovalioa look awesome in the couple of times I've seen them both play. The one question I keep wondering with Drew Lock is how people would view him had he played for a loaded team like an Alabama? His tools seem very similar to Josh Allen, who you have listed in the middle of this group. I ask about Lock simply because I have to think he's on Miami's radar.
 
Lawrence, Tua, Fromm, Herbert have not played last college season.


1. Mahomes (arm, prototypical, stats)
2. Murray (arm, not proto but exceptional runner, stats)
3. Mayfield
4. Haskins
5. Rudolph
6. Lock
7. Trubisky
8. Lawrence
9. Watson
10. Herbert


The rest are no worth drafting. Either small arm, small stature, or poor stats.
 
Trevor Lawrence

Patrick Mahomes

Baker Mayfield

Tua Tagovailoa

Kyler Murray

Jake Fromm

Justin Herbert

Josh Allen

Jordan Love

DeShaun Watson

Drew Lock

Sam Darnold

Josh Rosen

Dwayne Haskins

Mitchell Trubisky
I like this list but would move Lawrence down to 3 (for now)as he hasn't played a down in the NFL and it's hard to imagine him doing much better than what Mahomes has done.
 
I like this list but would move Lawrence down to 3 (for now)as he hasn't played a down in the NFL and it's hard to imagine him doing much better than what Mahomes has done.

agree... basically my WAG projection -- so I'm obviously thinking Trevor is a "generational" type talent.
 
agree... basically my WAG projection -- so I'm obviously thinking Trevor is a "generational" type talent.
I agree he could end up at the top of the list. I just hope people don't think this kids will come in have 60 TD's every year now.
 
You rank Murray that high? So you would do whatever necessary to go get him if possible?

Or would you still build talent first w the likelihood we finish in a high draft pick position?
And have a good shot at getting Tua or Fromm ext year w a stronger base.

It's really hard to say. I can't go back in time and have a conversation with myself about Kyler Murray versus Patrick Mahomes, for example. I was onto Mahomes for like 3 years before he came out. I can't go back and have a conversation with myself about Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray.

I probably shouldn't have even done the rankings.

What I can say is that the following players got #1 Pick/#1 QB grades from me, or will get them:

Phillip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Leinart
Sam Bradford
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Jameis Winston
Patrick Mahomes
Baker Mayfield
Kyler Murray
Tua Tagovailoa
Trevor Lawrence

Where they should all rank relative to one another, I don't know, nor do I particularly care.

After that lot, you have the rest of the bunch. None of whom would I have taken and felt like, yes I've absolutely got my man for the next 10 years. Every one of them would've been/will be wait-and-see.
 
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Wow Kyler Murray not just the best on that list but better than Patrick Mahomes. That is what’s being said right?

Bwahaha...I can’t wait until this blows up. I’ll be the guy saying I told ya so.

My bet, within 3 years Murray is somewhere between marginal and irrelevant anymore. I won’t say right away because there will be a ton of hype to prop up the lows that will be mixed in with some highs because it will take teams some time to defend him. That’s what I call fools gold. He’ll have the mainstream defending him who will make excuses like poor supporting cast, poor coaching, an injury, or just needing more time to develop.

All in all, people who have Murray this high are idiots; especially those who study this stuff more than the average fan...like those with podcasts.
 
Probably something like...

Kyler Murray
Patrick Mahomes
Baker Mayfield
Tua Tagovailoa
Trevor Lawrence
DeShaun Watson
Jordan Love
Josh Allen
Jake Fromm
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Dwayne Haskins
Justin Herbert
Drew Lock
Mitchell Trubisky

Thought I’d see Stick somewhere in there?
 
Been passing by this, figured id give it a whirl


Lawrence
Murray
Tua
Mahomes
Watson
Haskins
Mayfield
Fromm
Darnold
Lock
Allen
Rosen
Herbert
Trubisky
 
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