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Dolphins Leadership And Xavien Howard Continue Courtship In Good Faith

I love when people try to compare their own jobs to NFL players or athletes.

Of course if you don't show up to your shift at Cinnabon they will fire and replace you. You are not special. It's ok, sure your mom and your girlfriend like you just fine but it's ok that you are unremarkable.

This post needs more recognition, great stuff right here.


Those of you who think it's absurd that a player would hold out with 1 year left are a little detached from reality - these are not your entertainment pawns, these are real people, and for them to play on a 1 year deal *when they are elite* is a bad business decision... nothing more, nothing less.

As someone else mentioned above, these "contracts" are label only... guess what, if an elite player wants to hold out, and the organization doesn't want to work with them... SOME. OTHER. TEAM. WILL.

That's the whole point of great players holding out... because they can. They have leverage that they'll get another deal. Do the best business move you can.
 
That's a myth that the Patriotrs do that. They've resigned plenty of stars and superstars. Only superstar they sent off before payday was Chandler Jones.

Not to mention they paid McCourty and gave Gilmore a huge deal and they play DB.

I Belicheck's tenure, how ma y of tcontract impact draft choices have seen a second contract?

For the few that have seen a second contract. how many of them were for top 2 at the position money?

Signing FAs do not count in this.
 
I Belicheck's tenure, how ma y of tcontract impact draft choices have seen a second contract?

For the few that have seen a second contract. how many of them were for top 2 at the position money?

Signing FAs do not count in this.

Well his two best ones the past decade have.

Devin McCourty and Gronk.

Donta Hightower, Patrick Chung, Jullian Edelman, Shaq Mason, Jerod Mayo got a contract, James White, Aaron Hernadez got a nice contract too.

But the Patriots draft picks have been less than stellar for quite awhile, but their best picks besides Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins have been resigned and resigned again.
 
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Pro tip: stop comparing ANY other team (especially a perennially mediocre one like ours) to the Patriots - they are managed and coached by the greatest coach in NFL history (or if you want to split hairs, the greatest of our generation). You can't compare our front office to theirs.
 
other than r jones the dolphins have been pretty lucky not to have the selfish players with hold outs. if you want to be leader of the D and show you are fully buying into the new coaching staff then you show up also understanding that things are getting worked on behind closed doors. If this was the old regime still here, maybe he doesn't show up for camp. He doesn't owe Flores anything and Flores doesn't owe him anything, but man to man it looks great to know that your top player is on board with you.

But how early do we start accepting the fact that its a "business decision" to hold out? and really he wouldn't even be holding out if he didn't attend, just skipping something "voluntary". I guess X can sign an extension now, but LT has to wait til next season. why doesn't LT make a business decision to sit out this year and try to say okay its 2020 I can sign an extension now before I set foot on a football field again. And when the new CBA rolls around and the players start asking for more guaranteed money, how does this affect it. I'm going to say if im giving you more guaranteed money on all contracts, including rookie, then I want stiffer penalties for holdouts and I want the voluntary workouts mandatory.

also reg people work their asses off everyday. I'm putting in over 50 hours a week, going above and beyond at my job to take my work to higher standards and higher training practices then the guy I replaced, started back working on my degree in almost all my free time, started trying to bust my hump when im not too exhausted to lose weight and get in shape because in the professional world it benefits you not to be overweight, I cant just tell them that I don't want to honor my current pay because I think im already at a level that deserves more pay, and that im working on getting even better than that. no I know that in time that call to the office will come and I will be (or at least praying) rewarded for my efforts

If you are talented and feel you are either irreplaceable or very difficult to replace, you absolutely can if you feel you deserve more pay and more job security (the latter is a key aspect of sports contracts). You just gotta hope the company feels the same way. There's risk involved in these kind of decisions no matter what line of work you're in. Holding out has backfired on players. Bell is a good example. Playing on a one year contract or while in negotiations is a risk as well.

And I never said non-professional athletes don't work hard in their jobs. But it's safe to say you and I didn't work nearly as hard at football as Xavien, as hard as Curry in basketball, etc.
 
If you think the average 5.7 person has Jakeem Grants agility....LOL.

And no, there are very few professional athletes that come from true poverty. These players had decent enough parents to get them to school , practices, meetings and etc. True poverty as in Magnolia projects or Calico etc the average male is either dead or in jail by the age of 18. This is not an exaggeration you can look it up. they don't have mommy and daddy to drive them to football practice. They are lucky to have a roof over their head...

The idea that anyone could become a prrofessional athlete they just have to "work harder" is beyond ignorant....there are so many uncontrollable factors and circumstances involved

There are plenty of agile people not in professional sports. Didn't put the work in. It's beyond absurd to think that he's only in the NFL because he was born agile. Maybe you could have been more agile if you didn't eat so much McDonald's.

As for poverty, black athletes (68.7% of the league) disproportionately come from socioeconomic disadvantage (https://thesocietypages.org/engagin...class-and-opportunities-in-american-football/). They worked harder than you to get out of it.
 
If you are talented and feel you are either irreplaceable or very difficult to replace, you absolutely can if you feel you deserve more pay and more job security (the latter is a key aspect of sports contracts). You just gotta hope the company feels the same way. There's risk involved in these kind of decisions no matter what line of work you're in. Holding out has backfired on players. Bell is a good example. Playing on a one year contract or while in negotiations is a risk as well.

And I never said non-professional athletes don't work hard in their jobs. But it's safe to say you and I didn't work nearly as hard at football as Xavien, as hard as Curry in basketball, etc.

I was ****ed, I had a great spin move but no quick twitch. The spin move came without training, I busted my ass to get faster but with my duck feet that **** wasnt happening lol. Besides I was offered to play d2 ball, but I officially retired before I could be retired lol
 
Glad it's still in the good faith range and X isn't threatening with a hold out.

To me, sounds like they can strike an extension before next March.
 
There are plenty of agile people not in professional sports. Didn't put the work in. It's beyond absurd to think that he's only in the NFL because he was born agile. Maybe you could have been more agile if you didn't eat so much McDonald's.

As for poverty, black athletes (68.7% of the league) disproportionately come from socioeconomic disadvantage (https://thesocietypages.org/engagin...class-and-opportunities-in-american-football/). They worked harder than you to get out of it.

How does citing that percentage address the issue of the truly poor families never affording their son the opportunity to play football? Should that boy just work harder as well?

Its like you can't admit you might be even 1% wrong about any aspect of your absurd stance even when Ive made some pretty good points....
 
This is a ridiculous post. You can't redefine poverty to fit your ideals.

Go read a book, Google, or even watch a YouTube video about the Melphamine or Calico projects of New Orleans. I'm not "redefining" anything, there simply ARE much more extreme cases of true "Poverty" in our good old USA than the average ignorant citizen is aware of.. Communities with statistics and qualities you wouldn't believe were real unless you read/saw videos as I have. Educate yourself on the actual matter before calling the post ridiculous
 
Go read a book, Google, or even watch a YouTube video about the Melphamine or Calico projects of New Orleans. I'm not "redefining" anything, there simply ARE much more extreme cases of true "Poverty" in our good old USA than the average ignorant citizen is aware of.. Communities with statistics and qualities you wouldn't believe were real unless you read/saw videos as I have. Educate yourself on the actual matter before calling the post ridiculous
Congratulations. Another ridiculous post in this thread. Once again, "extreme cases of true poverty" is what you just wrote. That is you trying to redefine poverty, for the second time. Redefining what someone else that went through poverty, to not be poverty, to diminish their stories and lives and what they went through. That is pathetic. You don't walk in other peoples shoes.
 
Congratulations. Another ridiculous post in this thread. Once again, "extreme cases of true poverty" is what you just wrote. That is you trying to redefine poverty, for the second time. Redefining what someone else that went through poverty, to not be poverty, to diminish their stories and lives and what they went through. That is pathetic. You don't walk in other peoples shoes.

Umm what??Perhaps check my context?

I was responding to the poster who said poverty isn't an excuse to not become a professional athlete....Being a little bit poor on the wage scale wouldn't hinder anything, but there is a level well beneath them that absolutely would stop you from having a chance to raise a pro athlete
 
Umm what??Perhaps check my context?

I was responding to the poster who said poverty isn't an excuse to not become a professional athlete....Being a little bit poor on the wage scale wouldn't hinder anything, but there is a level well beneath them that absolutely would stop you from having a chance to raise a pro athlete

If that is the case, then that poster is wrong as well. But saying very few athletes come from true poverty is still a ridiculous statement. There are levels to everything. Just because one is worse doesn't diminish the other.
 
Congratulations. Another ridiculous post in this thread. Once again, "extreme cases of true poverty" is what you just wrote. That is you trying to redefine poverty, for the second time. Redefining what someone else that went through poverty, to not be poverty, to diminish their stories and lives and what they went through. That is pathetic. You don't walk in other peoples shoes.

Or are you trying to say there is no such thing as being "poorer" than someone else??? I'm missing something here
 
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