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Does Miami Have The Least Talented Offense In The Nfl?

Welp, I didn't think our WR corps was as good as everyone else thought last year and I think I was right.

It's certainly no better this year.
 
Does Miami have the least talented offense in the NFL?

No. On occasion they've lucked into some talented players, although they refused to upgrade the QB position for far too long. IMO, they've never been the least talented... but for the past 7 years under Philbin and Gase they have been the worst coached team in the league! Horrible preparation, gameplanning, playcalling, and schemes (on both sides of the ball) have been the problem. There has been no consistency whatsoever during the past 7 years. One week they could have their way with a top team, and the next week be completely dominated on national TV by a no-win team. Philbin and Gase were in way over their heads, and their inexperience combined with an idiotic offensive (and defensive) philosophy kept this team from having any lasting success. Sure, they'd win a few games here and there and sometimes look pretty good, but when everything was on the line they ALWAYS choked.

Remember when Philbin's team needed a win against either the lowly Jets or Bills and they would make the playoffs? What happened? Miami scored a total of 10 points combined in both games and missed the playoffs. Yes, they (luckily) made the playoffs in Gase's first year, but they were nowhere near being a playoff team! This was a team that beat the Browns ONLY because Cleveland's kicker missed a few FGs. This team under both Philbin and Gase had a bad habit of usually not being able to score until nearly half-time, while allowing the opponent to march up and down the field. Both regimes ran a defense based on playing with the lead, while their offense rarely ever had a lead. Morons! Running the ball and being able to stop the run are still important... but not to Philbin or Gase. And, they both prefer a finesse o-line rather than a tough, physical o-line. In an interview, Mike Sherman was once asked why Miami stopped running the ball since it was effective, and he replied that it was Philbin's decision. While most teams have no problem converting a 3rd or 4th and short on the ground, Gase's favorite playcall in that situation was to throw the ball behind the line of scrimmage for a loss and then punt.

Many talented Free Agents came to Miami for big bucks and failed to produce. Why? Not one coach on the team was competent at their job. Players who excelled at one position were played elsewhere. The Offense (and Defense) had their gameplan, and they ran it, no matter what the opponent did. Good teams adapt and change to take advantage of an opponent's weakness, while Miami's coaches have been completely oblivious to this simple tactic. The Pats dominate with a lot of average (though competent) players. Miami fields some talented players and still look like crap. It's the coaching that is the problem!!! This is the first time in a long time that I feel a bit optimistic because I know that NO ONE can be as inept as Philbin and Gase were! This team has some talent, and hopefully Flores will take advantage of them.
 
They have a good o-line but they always do - no matter who lines up. And at 41 Brady is not elite anymore. He had some real clunkers last year Vs Detroit and Tennessee. He can’t go deep any longer. Somehow they manage to win without having to take the deep shots they did back in the day so to speak. Point is, they have a nice offensive lineup but it is far from “great”. Yet, they still make it look easy most weeks.
They use that short passing game so effectively. Brady will take those five yard gains all day long. Not too different from how Miami used to attack teams with Csonka, Morris and Kiick.

Sort of here it is now stop it.
 
Actually, that is probably the best way to draft. Out of those four positions, qb is probably the only position you would be getting value at in the first round. You could make a case for wide receiver as the next position of value but taking a running back in the first round would be the stupidest thing a gm could ever do in my opinion. TE is also a position that is rarely targeted for the first round. The first round is generally reserved for qb, pass rushers, offensive tackles, and elite players in the secondary. You could also make a case for elite type wide receivers and defensive tackles.
That is a good point. I think the way the game had emerged the early rounds should be used on the premium positions like quarterback, pass rusher, left tackle and corner.
 
I agree. WR and TE are certainly valuable if you hit on them, but the miss rate on WR's is very high, and TE typically takes a while longer than most positions to develop. It's OK, though not optimal, if a 1st takes a year to develop. Much beyond that, you're starting to throw away the value of the rookie contract.

Adding to the messiness, both positions are heavily dependent on QB play. Amari Cooper is one of the five or so safest WR prospects of the decade, and before he went to Dallas, many were questioning whether he was a bust. For WR in particular, though, if you have a shot at a guy that checks all (or most) of the boxes, you should take the risk - preferably when your QB and OL are in place. 2020 looks to have a few who are likely to earn 1st Round grades/be about as close to sure things as you get. 2019, like most years, is a good class to take a swing if the right guy falls to the 2nd or 3rd. For Miami, Harry and Brown deserve strong consideration in the 2nd, same for Isabella in the 3rd, and Morgan Jr Day 3. You have to factor in a higher miss rate than most (if not all) other premium positions, but I think the value of the position dictates that you should plan to draft one on Day 2 or 3 just about every year. If you're looking for the right things, and you find your QB, you'll hit enough to make the misses worthwhile.
To be honest, I wonder if best player available really means best premium position players available?

As an example, if a team can only sign four or five players to big contracts does it make sense to draft a star linebacker if that position isn't as important as others?

Kind of like the Jarvis Landry situation. I guess you weigh out having that player for his rookie contract.
 
To be honest, I wonder if best player available really means best premium position players available?

As an example, if a team can only sign four or five players to big contracts does it make sense to draft a star linebacker if that position isn't as important as others?

Kind of like the Jarvis Landry situation. I guess you weigh out having that player for his rookie contract.

That's close to what it should mean. You should only move to less-premium positions if the gap in talent is considerable.
 
Does Miami have the least talented offense in the NFL?

No. On occasion they've lucked into some talented players, although they refused to upgrade the QB position for far too long. IMO, they've never been the least talented... but for the past 7 years under Philbin and Gase they have been the worst coached team in the league! Horrible preparation, gameplanning, playcalling, and schemes (on both sides of the ball) have been the problem. There has been no consistency whatsoever during the past 7 years. One week they could have their way with a top team, and the next week be completely dominated on national TV by a no-win team. Philbin and Gase were in way over their heads, and their inexperience combined with an idiotic offensive (and defensive) philosophy kept this team from having any lasting success. Sure, they'd win a few games here and there and sometimes look pretty good, but when everything was on the line they ALWAYS choked.

Remember when Philbin's team needed a win against either the lowly Jets or Bills and they would make the playoffs? What happened? Miami scored a total of 10 points combined in both games and missed the playoffs. Yes, they (luckily) made the playoffs in Gase's first year, but they were nowhere near being a playoff team! This was a team that beat the Browns ONLY because Cleveland's kicker missed a few FGs. This team under both Philbin and Gase had a bad habit of usually not being able to score until nearly half-time, while allowing the opponent to march up and down the field. Both regimes ran a defense based on playing with the lead, while their offense rarely ever had a lead. Morons! Running the ball and being able to stop the run are still important... but not to Philbin or Gase. And, they both prefer a finesse o-line rather than a tough, physical o-line. In an interview, Mike Sherman was once asked why Miami stopped running the ball since it was effective, and he replied that it was Philbin's decision. While most teams have no problem converting a 3rd or 4th and short on the ground, Gase's favorite playcall in that situation was to throw the ball behind the line of scrimmage for a loss and then punt.

Many talented Free Agents came to Miami for big bucks and failed to produce. Why? Not one coach on the team was competent at their job. Players who excelled at one position were played elsewhere. The Offense (and Defense) had their gameplan, and they ran it, no matter what the opponent did. Good teams adapt and change to take advantage of an opponent's weakness, while Miami's coaches have been completely oblivious to this simple tactic. The Pats dominate with a lot of average (though competent) players. Miami fields some talented players and still look like crap. It's the coaching that is the problem!!! This is the first time in a long time that I feel a bit optimistic because I know that NO ONE can be as inept as Philbin and Gase were! This team has some talent, and hopefully Flores will take advantage of them.

Cannot be overstated. With what some think was a no-talent team and inept coaches, Miami was in the hunt in December
 
Talented or not, what I mostly look at is desire - a strong hunger for victory...demonstrated in every snap of the ball. That is as important as talent in my view. Agree?
 
As others have noted, and I've noted previously, our WR corps is
rather weak -- not only because the Tots broke their wheels but
there isn't a serious gamer in the bunch. Best you can say is that
Stills is a solid role player and... counting on Parker is like
counting on your '62 Corvair in a head on collision!

Beyond that we have serious deficiencies and question marks
on the OL and our TE group is hinged on the theoretical upside
of Gesicki -- who may or may not prove to be a legit PRO.

Personally I believe our RB group is the most solid of the bunch.
But I don't see anyone resembling a young Ronnie Brown or Ricky
Williams... The RB group is good and functional but certainly not
"impressive."

We know we have a temporary patch in place at QB and nothing
but speculation backing him up. So the bottom line IMO is -- there's
no way this offence is going to scare anyone and I fully expect us to
struggle to put up points -- pretty much the SOS in these parts.

For sure -- solve the OL riddle FIRST and build from there.
Bottom line -- this is a multi-year process and the finished product
is not even remotely in focus at this point.
 
Welp, I didn't think our WR corps was as good as everyone else thought last year and I think I was right.

It's certainly no better this year.
I could be wrong, but I expect the new regime to de-value wide receivers much like New England has since Bill Bellichick has been there. In other words, I think mid to late round picks, smaller, quicker players. Grant and Wilson probably fit the mold of what Miami will be looking for. Just a guess, though. Brian Flores may feel differently about the position.
 
Does Miami have the least talented offense in the NFL?

No. On occasion they've lucked into some talented players, although they refused to upgrade the QB position for far too long. IMO, they've never been the least talented... but for the past 7 years under Philbin and Gase they have been the worst coached team in the league! Horrible preparation, gameplanning, playcalling, and schemes (on both sides of the ball) have been the problem. There has been no consistency whatsoever during the past 7 years. One week they could have their way with a top team, and the next week be completely dominated on national TV by a no-win team. Philbin and Gase were in way over their heads, and their inexperience combined with an idiotic offensive (and defensive) philosophy kept this team from having any lasting success. Sure, they'd win a few games here and there and sometimes look pretty good, but when everything was on the line they ALWAYS choked.

Remember when Philbin's team needed a win against either the lowly Jets or Bills and they would make the playoffs? What happened? Miami scored a total of 10 points combined in both games and missed the playoffs. Yes, they (luckily) made the playoffs in Gase's first year, but they were nowhere near being a playoff team! This was a team that beat the Browns ONLY because Cleveland's kicker missed a few FGs. This team under both Philbin and Gase had a bad habit of usually not being able to score until nearly half-time, while allowing the opponent to march up and down the field. Both regimes ran a defense based on playing with the lead, while their offense rarely ever had a lead. Morons! Running the ball and being able to stop the run are still important... but not to Philbin or Gase. And, they both prefer a finesse o-line rather than a tough, physical o-line. In an interview, Mike Sherman was once asked why Miami stopped running the ball since it was effective, and he replied that it was Philbin's decision. While most teams have no problem converting a 3rd or 4th and short on the ground, Gase's favorite playcall in that situation was to throw the ball behind the line of scrimmage for a loss and then punt.

Many talented Free Agents came to Miami for big bucks and failed to produce. Why? Not one coach on the team was competent at their job. Players who excelled at one position were played elsewhere. The Offense (and Defense) had their gameplan, and they ran it, no matter what the opponent did. Good teams adapt and change to take advantage of an opponent's weakness, while Miami's coaches have been completely oblivious to this simple tactic. The Pats dominate with a lot of average (though competent) players. Miami fields some talented players and still look like crap. It's the coaching that is the problem!!! This is the first time in a long time that I feel a bit optimistic because I know that NO ONE can be as inept as Philbin and Gase were! This team has some talent, and hopefully Flores will take advantage of them.
Agree that lack of coaching has been a big negative, especially on the offensive line. In that sense, maybe a few younger players could develop. Miami's lack of success in the middle rounds on the offensive line is probably more about coaching than talent.
 
Talented or not, what I mostly look at is desire - a strong hunger for victory...demonstrated in every snap of the ball. That is as important as talent in my view. Agree?

I'll take desire, but I'll add commitment.
 
Agree w superphin - AZ probably is worse. We actually are quite good at WR (in spite of Parker) and RB. QB is below average. O-line and TEs are beyond horrendous. As for Tunsil being a building block, everyone realizes that by the time we field a competent QB we won’t be able to afford him, right?
That said, Arizona is about to draft Kyler Murray.

I disagree that we are good at wide receiver. I struggle to find many teams where we have receivers that would start elsewhere. I like Albert Wilson, but he's had exactly three 80+ yard receiving games in his career. I simply don't see any 1,000 yard potential receivers on the team unless Wilson develops into one.
 
I think test #1 for the new staff is if they are able to get more out of Gesicki. Personally, I haven't given up hope on that and am not convinced they aren't going to get much more out of him this year.
 
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