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Miami Doing Due Diligence On Rosen -peter King

Birdmond said:
Brett Farve? Steve Young?
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Don't forget Kurt Warner(he was on Packers for brief time before his Arena League days), Randall Cunningham, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, hell even Drew Bledsoe was great for few years with the Bills after leaving the Pats.
 
Tiko377 said:
I would be kind of weirded out even for a 3rd....Fitz & Rosen battling it out for the starting job? What if Fitz wins the job & you have a Rosen vs Tua/Fromm/Hebert debate next offseason
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When you consider Fitz beating out Rosen for the starting position, your really saying experience outperforms youthful exuberance. This would not mean Rosen didn't play well. The end result could easily be two very good QB's.

I would point out that getting traded sometimes offers a player that dose of reality that seems to help them focus more on their play as they realize their time in the NFL is temporary and social media doesn't mean a thing!
 
Phinatic8u said:
Obviously absolutely nothing.
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I'd say it means more in terms of Lamar Jackson. I don't think gimicky quarterbacks can win for long in the NFL. The Chargers faced him a second time after seeing him once and he turned it over four times and got sacked seven times because LA forced him to be an actual quarterback instead of an extra running back.
 
Grier did not like Rosen last year so why would he change his opinion in 1 year?
No way does he even think about trading for him.
 
RMLogic said:
Grier did not like Rosen last year so why would he change his opinion in 1 year?
No way does he even think about trading for him.
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There is a difference between not liking a guy as a Round 1 prospect and not liking a guy as 3rd round prospect. If they liked him but had graded out between rounds 2-4, a 3 is on par for following Grier's chart. Also, it could have been a case of Gase saying he needed this and or that in a QB and felt that Rosen wouldn't fit his system
 
Yea that's a solid point. Did Grier really not like Rosen or was it Gase? And now Grier has a different staff both in the front office and coaching advising him
 
Rowdy1972 said:
We really talking about getting this dude? He lead his team to the first overall pick. The first overall pick that a lot of yall in this thread say is damn near impoosible to do unless you have complete incompetence at the QB position. Threw 11 TDs, 14 ints, 55% completion percentage in 14 games. 66 passer rating. Averaged 162 yards a game passing. Hes not good. I dont care how "bad" his situation was. He should have been better than that in today's NFL.

His defense was ranked 20th in total defense. Not great but not bottom of the barrel like the team he is coming too. He had David Johnson. Fitzgerald. Kirk. Germaine Gresham. Ricky Seals Jones. It wasnt a gold mine of talent but lets not act like hes coming to a much better place. He is 4 day old slaw thats been left out of the refrigerator.
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Does the fact that his entire coaching staff was fired mean anything, especially in light of them having a top 5 RB who shat the best in the same system...?
 
Why not do the research? They've done due diligence on Daniel Jones and Rosen is a far better prospect. A third would be a steal, to the point where I think it's very unrealistic. I mean we've had the likes of Grier, Finley and Stidham mocked to us in the third, Rosen is 10 times the QB that those guys are.
 
Pull the trigger. Aquire Rosen.

 
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Kev7 said:
Rosen is easily worth a 3rd. I’d even consider a 2nd given his talent. You can’t Judge him off his rookie year with a failed coaching staff and terrible OLine.
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I do not think the issue is talent. From what I have read the issue is he is poorly coachable and that goes back to high school. Sounds like he could be one of the “I not me” type players. If the cardinals gave up on that high of a pic that quickly, I say we should also.
 
Jssanto said:
I do not think the issue is talent. From what I have read the issue is he is poorly coachable and that goes back to high school. Sounds like he could be one of the “I not me” type players. If the cardinals gave up on that high of a pic that quickly, I say we should also.
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This is a very popular slur that has been snowballing for a couple of years now, without anybody willing to provide any evidence or put their names to such accusations. He has spoken out against authority (pointing out the irony in 'not-for-profit' colleges making millions while student athletes are restricted from and punished for earning by draconian NCAA rules) , expressed his own opinion (the Trump hat) and then topped off those two by defending his right to do such things in his combine/pre-draft interviews. In an industry that the league, owners, front offices, coaches, media and fans like to treat as a military in that nothing than total obedience can be tolerated and anyone not doing so is a 'locker room cancer', 'not a team player' or a 'diva' it's not surprising that anyone showing any kind of outward personality or self confidence in their own opinions be put in their place fairly swiftly (usually via the media and 'unnamed sources'). Anything other than being completely servile to God and the country (Rosen is openly atheist and anti-Trump) is treated as if they are going to wreak havoc in a locker room.

Ultimately the guy could be a massive dickweed and not give a **** about an NFL career, I don't know him, and neither do 99.9% of the people who suggest that he is selfish, or arrogant, or a trouble-maker, or that the fact he's from a rich family means that he has no motivation or desire. He's just turned 22; how many of us (that are older than that) have matured and developed since we were that age? My point is that people are talking like he's only worth a fifth or sixth round pick, a 'one-and-done' guy who should be third on depth chart and made to try and prove himself as a back up. That's ridiculous. He hasn't lost his talent and potential in one poor season in a crappy team, and if he's available for a third round pick then we should be looking into it.

My take is that, given where were with the team-building and options in this years draft, we have bigger needs than a QB both our first two picks. That goes for trading for Rosen or drafting one (if we were targetting a QB then I'd go for Rosen ahead of Haskins, Lock or Jones). And while I think that probably also applies to the third round, if we do end up drafting someone like Will Grier or Ryan Lindley with that pick when we could have used it on Rosen it will be an absolute travesty.
 
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Allegedly they've been offered a 2nd and holding out for a 1st.

This I would not do.

However I would trade our 2nd in a heartbeat!!
 
meatpardle said:
This is a very popular slur that has been snowballing for a couple of years now, without anybody willing to provide any evidence or put their names to such accusations. He has spoken out against authority (pointing out the irony in 'not-for-profit' colleges making millions while student athletes are restricted from and punished for earning by draconian NCAA rules) , expressed his own opinion (the Trump hat) and then topped off those two by defending his right to do such things in his combine/pre-draft interviews. In an industry that the league, owners, front offices, coaches, media and fans like to treat as a military in that nothing than total obedience can be tolerated and anyone not doing so is a 'locker room cancer', 'not a team player' or a 'diva' it's not surprising that anyone showing any kind of outward personality or self confidence in their own opinions be put in their place fairly swiftly (usually via the media and 'unnamed sources'). Anything other than being completely servile to God and the country (Rosen is openly atheist and anti-Trump) is treated as if they are going to wreak havoc in a locker room.

Ultimately the guy could be a massive dickweed and not give a **** about an NFL career, I don't know him, and neither do 99.9% of the people who suggest that he is selfish, or arrogant, or a trouble-maker, or that the fact he's from a rich family means that he has no motivation or desire. He's just turned 22; how many of us (that are older than that) have matured and developed since we were that age? My point is that people are talking like he's only worth a fifth or sixth round pick, a 'one-and-done' guy who should be third on depth chart and made to try and prove himself as a back up. That's ridiculous. He hasn't lost his talent and potential in one poor season in a crappy team, and if he's available for a third round pick then we should be looking into it.

My take is that, given where were with the team-building and options in this years draft, we have bigger needs than a QB both our first two picks. That goes for trading for Rosen or drafting one (if we were targetting a QB then I'd go for Rosen ahead of Haskins, Lock or Jones). And while I think that probably also applies to the third round, if we do end up drafting someone like Will Grier or Ryan Lindley with that pick when we could have used it on Rosen it will be an absolute travesty.
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Very eloquently written. Cant say I disagree with anything either.
 
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