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Digital said:
Rosen was a cancer to his own team at UCLA. When you're winning and the superstar QB its hard to alienate your teammates … but that's what Rosen did. The fact the Cardinals brought in Kingsbury specifically to change this offense and move away from Rosen is about as big of a red flag as one can get. I'm not on-board with bringing in a proven cancer at the most important leadership position on the team. I didn't like Rosen coming out because of this, and now there's more data points saying the same thing … do not acquire Rosen, it's not about the cost to acquire him, it's about the destructive cost of handing over team leadership to a cancerous personality.

IMHO, no thanks at any price.
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Which means, w Mr Magoo running our team, this is exactly what we’ll do.
 
rev kev said:
I was thinking to sit him behind Fitz as insurance - I am still all in on a QB in 2020

If I can salary dump to get Rosen and move on from him next year - I am down with that
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That's a tough call. The salary dump makes a lot of sense. But when you're rebuilding its hard to evaluate just how damaging a cancer in the locker room can be. I'd just leave Rosen alone and focus on the rebuild.
 
Digital said:
That's a tough call. The salary dump makes a lot of sense. But when you're rebuilding its hard to evaluate just how damaging a cancer in the locker room can be. I'd just leave Rosen alone and focus on the rebuild.
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This could happen brother, as the other teams have moved on.
 
royalshank said:
Which means, w Mr Magoo running our team, this is exactly what we’ll do.
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Maybe. But I've been happy with what Grier has done so far in adding talent to the roster, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If we trade for Josh Rosen, yes, that will be a huge hit to his reputation.
 
Fin Fan in Cali said:
This could happen brother, as the other teams have moved on.
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Very true … but if we trade for Rosen it means two things are paramount:

1. The Dolphins believe Rosen is the answer, and will not be shopping for a QB in 2020 … so the rebuild starts today, and we're likely locked into Rosen and mediocrity for the next decade.
2. The braintrust of the Dolphins is not being sincere about their prioritizing of people who love football, grind and sacrifice for the team. Rosen is the opposite of all of that, and the young players will all realize it.

This would represent a huge change of philosophy and direction for Grier and Flores … and from that decision there wouldn't really be a way to turn back. It's tough to get guys to follow your mantra of sacrifice if you sell them out for a guy who represents the exact opposite in your very first draft. If we bring in Rosen, we're investing in talent over attitude … and the talent had better produce quickly, or it all falls apart.
 
Digital said:
Very true … but if we trade for Rosen it means two things are paramount:

1. The Dolphins believe Rosen is the answer, and will not be shopping for a QB in 2020 … so the rebuild starts today, and we're likely locked into Rosen and mediocrity for the next decade.
2. The braintrust of the Dolphins is not being sincere about their prioritizing of people who love football, grind and sacrifice for the team. Rosen is the opposite of all of that, and the young players will all realize it.

This would represent a huge change of philosophy and direction for Grier and Flores … and from that decision there wouldn't really be a way to turn back. It's tough to get guys to follow your mantra of sacrifice if you sell them out for a guy who represents the exact opposite in your very first draft. If we bring in Rosen, we're investing in talent over attitude … and the talent had better produce quickly, or it all falls apart.
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Nice post bro.
 
Digital said:
...but if we trade for Rosen it means two things are paramount:
1. The Dolphins believe Rosen is the answer, and will not be shopping for a QB in 2020 … so the rebuild starts today, and we're likely locked into Rosen and mediocrity for the next decade....
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I don't agree with this premise at all...no reason they can't take a flyer on Rosen and, unless he exceeds all expectations, go for a big gun next year.
 
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To me it comes down to, do I want Rosen or a big OT which could start immediately.
Say, a replacement for James for 10 years or a guy who may or may not be our QB.
 
jazz015 said:
The way Wilks/McCoy approached that offense is the whole reason why they ended up here. No QB was going to succeed behind one of the worst offenses in history. They were poor hires that set up a poor situation for any guy.

Then they hire a coach who doesn't have a good track record of winning, who was a hot OC candidate. They give him the head job based on the offense movement. From day 1 he has given rosen the signal that he is going Murray at one. This gives them no leverage in a trade because everyone knows you gotta get rid of him now.

The idea that a starting QB is going down in camp is funny because it is very rare. So Mia, NE, and LA are sitting around waiting for the cardinals to cave because they lost their leverage.

Rosen would be an excellent pick up because Fits will do nothing and it allows us to see for a one year if he is that top 10 pick. if he isn't then we still have our shot at getting the guy we want.

You want to maximize your opportunities to find the guy and this is how you do it
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This should be the Dolphins mantra - maximize your opportunities
 
mmikel30 said:
Rosen problem last year was the O-Line and he hesitated throwing the ball had a hitch in hiss throws. Guy has a gotten a raw deal so far. I liked Rosen coming out but if the goal is to go QB in 2020 this makes no sense.
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Why not do both?
 
Rosen for a 3rd to me is a no brainer.
Get him, let him compete with Fatz, and if he wins the job and looks bad next year we still lose for Tua-Herbert-Fromm.
 
Digital said:
Very true … but if we trade for Rosen it means two things are paramount:

1. The Dolphins believe Rosen is the answer, and will not be shopping for a QB in 2020 … so the rebuild starts today, and we're likely locked into Rosen and mediocrity for the next decade.
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Trading for Rosen is very low risk- he is on his rookie deal & won’t have a cap # if the organization chose to cut/trade him if things don’t work out. We wouldn’t be locked into Rosen for a decade; we wouldn’t even be locked into Rosen for training camp.
 
When the team that gives up on Rosen after a year, 2 OCs and a terrible OL hires a fired college coach with a losing record, no NFL coaching experience and already accepting a demotion to USC OC because he wants a certain QB to plug into his so-far losing system, it's much more of an indictment on the judgment of AZ than the performance of Rosen.

What if Dallas gave up on Aikman, Denver on John Elway and Indy on PManning after abysmal first years? And what a difference replacing Jeff Fisher with Sean McVay made in Goff.

One bad year under the worst circumstances taking his lumps (without complaining) does not for me at least, negate the wide acclaim Rosen had going into the draft and the reality that on some scoreboards he'd have been the number 1 QB and on others, at worst the #2 after Murray. To get him and his 4 more years of low compensation for the equivalent of 50-60cents on the dollar is one of those quintessential low risk-high gain investments.
 
Digital said:
That's a tough call. The salary dump makes a lot of sense. But when you're rebuilding its hard to evaluate just how damaging a cancer in the locker room can be. I'd just leave Rosen alone and focus on the rebuild.
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No reason not to consider Rosen as part of the rebuild.

Think of this like comparing a last years car model that had some "tuning" issues vs. a new shinny car from a brand new line of cars. Getting either one is taking a chance.

One may have had all its problems identified and can be made effective while the new one offers hope, but without the "test of time" that the used one just went through.

Now look at the two as if your life depended on their performance as opposed to just inflating your ego by getting a new shiny model.

Stop and think about all the "new shiny models" that you have championed before and then had to go through the pain of living with them when they failed.

Now reconsider and let me know which one would you want.
 
Digital said:
Rosen was a cancer to his own team at UCLA. When you're winning and the superstar QB its hard to alienate your teammates … but that's what Rosen did. The fact the Cardinals brought in Kingsbury specifically to change this offense and move away from Rosen is about as big of a red flag as one can get. I'm not on-board with bringing in a proven cancer at the most important leadership position on the team. I didn't like Rosen coming out because of this, and now there's more data points saying the same thing … do not acquire Rosen, it's not about the cost to acquire him, it's about the destructive cost of handing over team leadership to a cancerous personality.

IMHO, no thanks at any price.
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Agreed - wholeheartedly.

Intangibles matter for QB, a lot. Rosen has a fine arm...so did Tannehill, so did Jay Cutler....the list goes on.

It's been documented his own teammates didn't like him in UCLA. Despite his success. I don't want to gamble on a "me against the world" QB.

We have at least 3 prospects next year who have similar talent without the personality concerns. Why waste a pick at all?
 
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