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Who Do You Have For Day 2?

Rock Ya Sin is a player Miami spent a lot of time with during the pre draft process. If he's available at #48, he very well could be under strong consideration.
 
Some really good options for us in the 2nd round. I doubt these guys will be there, but there's a lot of talent still available.

1. Zach Allen DE
2. Byron Murphy CB
3. Chase Winovich OLB
4. Greedy Williams (doesn't tackle so isn't a scheme fit, but dominant cover CB!)
5. Dalton Risner OL
6. Rock Ya-Sin CB
7. Juan Thornhill S
8. Riley Ridley WR

If we stay at pick 48 (16th in 2nd round) we should be able to get one of these 8 guys. If they're all gone, there's still decent talent available. IMHO, this will be the last chance to get an effective edge rusher, so if we don't get him in round 2 it's not happening this year. There are solid OL and DB prospects available throughout the draft.
 
A couple thoughts, with the emphasis on character and based on the reports of Greedy's work ethic I'd put his chances of being in a Dolphins uniform at zero. There's really no reason to take a QB when Rosen can likely be had for a 2020 3rd. Guys like Lock, Finley, Thorson or Grier, you can have last year's top 10 pick for less.

I think the most important positions groups to target are OL, Edge, DB so going BPA with these next two picks, picking from this group makes the most sense to me.

I think Rock Ya-Sin is a home run if he gets there for what this FO wants. High effort guy with the size they covet in DB's.

Chauncey Gardner-Johnson is another guy that could help the disguise coverages and could play the Patrick Chung role and make Minkah's life easier. Think they'd compliment each other very well.

Erik McCoy makes sense as a 3 year starter, team captain to continue building the trenches. Considering the DL that have been added in the division, we need a foundational piece to counter those guys.

These are the 3 guys I'm keeping an eye one for round 2. I really think we need to get an interior OL out of these next 2 picks.
 
There's really no reason to take a QB when Rosen can likely be had for a 2020 3rd. Guys like Lock, Finley, Thorson or Grier, you can have last year's top 10 pick for less..

Where a QB is picked is meaningless and irrelevant. Jake Locker Gabbert, and Christian Ponder were top 15 picks in 2011, and Cousins, Wilson, and Foles were later rounds picks the following year in 2012.
NFL's opinion (meaning aggregate opinion reflected in draft position) is completely irrelevant. people making these decisions are idiots!
 
Where a QB is picked is meaningless and irrelevant. Jake Locker Gabbert, and Christian Ponder were top 15 picks in 2011, and Cousins, Wilson, and Foles were later rounds picks the following year in 2012.
NFL's opinion (meaning aggregate opinion reflected in draft position) is completely irrelevant. people making these decisions are idiots!

So 2nd and 3rd round QB's are better bets then in your eyes? Rosen is and was a better prospect than all these guys and one season doesn't change that. All you get with these guys is false hope because you haven't seen them on an NFL field. They have a much greater chance at flaming out than a guy with Rosen's tools.

Way to cherry pick your draft. How about Hackenburg, Garrett Grayson, Paxton Lynch, Sean Mannion, Geno Smith, Mike Glennon....
 
I looked at this a while back, but I'm pretty sure it still holds that quarterbacks drafted in the first round have a much better chance of being Super Bowl MVPs, All-Pro, or Pro Bowl nominees. For quarterbacks drafted first overall, obviously the odds are much better.
 
I have no issue with Rosen, as long as it's a pick in 2020 or beyond. But he's not on the same level as some of the QB's who could be available in 2020 or 2021. So the question is, if Rosen is traded to Miami, does that take Miami out of drafting a QB in round #1, in either 2020 or 2021? And can Miami get Rosen for a 4th or less?
 
I looked at this a while back, but I'm pretty sure it still holds that quarterbacks drafted in the first round have a much better chance of being Super Bowl MVPs, All-Pro, or Pro Bowl nominees. For quarterbacks drafted first overall, obviously the odds are much better.

What a concept.

I have no issue with Rosen, as long as it's a pick in 2020 or beyond. But he's not on the same level as some of the QB's who could be available in 2020 or 2021. So the question is, if Rosen is traded to Miami, does that take Miami out of drafting a QB in round #1, in either 2020 or 2021? And can Miami get Rosen for a 4th or less?

No. The same way taking someone like Finley in round 3 doesn't take them out of it. It's a late day 2/early day 3 pick.
 
So 2nd and 3rd round QB's are better bets then in your eyes? .

Yes, if they are better quarterbacks! That's the point! They are not bets, they are better quarterbacks!
The "bet" part refers to rolling the dice that the best or better quarterback will be available with your next pick.
The "bet" part does not refer to whether a quarterback will be better or worse in the NFL. We know that on draft day. There is no betting with respect to who is elite and who is garbage, on draft day.
However, because the NFL is run by idiots, and their decionmaking is all over the place, the result is the perception that the draft is a crap shoot. It is, because people running the decisions are idiots. Not because of the players. The players are what they are, elite or garbage.
 
Yes, if they are better quarterbacks! That's the point! They are not bets, they are better quarterbacks!
The "bet" part refers to rolling the dice that the best or better quarterback will be available with your next pick.
The "bet" part does not refer to whether a quarterback will be better or worse in the NFL. We know that on draft day. There is no betting with respect to who is elite and who is garbage, on draft day.
However, because the NFL is run by idiots, and their decionmaking is all over the place, the result is the perception that the draft is a crap shoot. It is, because people running the decisions are idiots. Not because of the players. The players are what they are, elite or garbage.

Okay so you're arguing that better quarterbacks should be taken over worse quarterbacks. Great. Thanks for that insight. Here's a simple way to look at this, if Rosen was in this draft where would he be ranked. I'd say he'd probably be the 2nd best prospect in this draft, behind Kyler. You could probably argue he's at worse Drew Lock territory. Well Drew Lock if you're lucky will cost you a pick in the 50s. Rosen will cost you maybe a pick in the 70s a year from now.

I don't know how else to spell it out, it depends if you like the player and you like the value better than what's out there and I do.
 
if Rosen was in this draft where would he be ranked. .

It does not matter where Rosen is ranked, because idiots are making decisions.
The value of Rosen is UDFA, practice squad, because Rosen is not the QB to lead the team to SB on rookie contract. Therefore he is undraftable. That is his value on draft day and we know that. The fact that someone thinks he is worth a top 15 pick or a 3rd rd pick is irrelevant. In spite of some idiots having opinion that Rosen has value, Rosen will never have value, real value, he will not lead the team to SB on rookie contract and the money and picks spent are wasted.
 
I hope the next two are OL. One of the biggest issues we had this year was OL, and there are still plenty of good guys left like Ford, Taylor, Risner, McCoy. I would even trade down to pick up two 2nd rounders and get two of them. If next year is the year for our QB, we need to establish a good OL for whoever he is.

As of right now our starting OL is like: Tunsil, Asiata, Kilgore, Reed, Davis. Yikes. But there's plenty of legit guys in Round 2 and 3 to pick.
 
It does not matter where Rosen is ranked, because idiots are making decisions.
The value of Rosen is UDFA, practice squad, because Rosen is not the QB to lead the team to SB on rookie contract. Therefore he is undraftable. That is his value on draft day and we know that. The fact that someone thinks he is worth a top 15 pick or a 3rd rd pick is irrelevant. In spite of some idiots having opinion that Rosen has value, Rosen will never have value, real value, he will not lead the team to SB on rookie contract and the money and picks spent are wasted.

See that's your opinion. It's a pretty easy take, that Josh Rosen on a rookie deal will not win a super bowl. It doesn't mean that a future 3rd round investment based on the tools he possesses isn't worth it. I think he's a very talented quarterback and you don't get a chance at a very talented quarterback for this level of value very often. It's a pointless argument, you obviously don't like Rosen, I like Rosen for the value to see if he's successful and he has the upside to be a difference maker at the most important position in sports. Whether he reaches that ceiling I don't know, but it usually takes a much more significant investment to have the opportunity to explore it.
 
I looked at this a while back, but I'm pretty sure it still holds that quarterbacks drafted in the first round have a much better chance of being Super Bowl MVPs, All-Pro, or Pro Bowl nominees. For quarterbacks drafted first overall, obviously the odds are much better.

Brady - Russell Wilson - Brees - Montana etc. say otherwise.

That said, of course the % is better in R1 than R6. But it's still a projection
and I'd bet well over 50% of the QBs taken R1 eventually fizzle...
I mean the list is really, really long.
 
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