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Barnwell: Why You Can Throw Out Rosen's 2018

Watch Murray come in this year, rally the Cards as a rookie, and completely lay waste to this whole “the team was too bad for Rosen to function” narrative.

The 2019 season got more interesting that’s for sure
Apples and oranges again. Different coach, players, and system.
 
"More importantly, his offensive line was a disaster. Other rookie quarterbacks have started their careers behind porous offensive lines, of course, but not to this extreme. By the end of last season, the Cardinals had lost all five of their starting linemen to injuries. During the second half of 2018, the five linemen who took snaps most frequently protecting Rosenincluded a pair of rookies (third-rounder Mason Cole and seventh-rounder Korey Cunningham), a player signed off Minnesota's practice squad (Colby Gossett) and a pair of veterans who were cut by teams and almost immediately stepped off the street and into Arizona's starting lineup (Oday Aboushi and Joe Barksdale). It's one thing to have a relatively untalented line, but the Cardinals were starting guys who barely knew the playbook at times."
 
I don't care about anyone but Rosen and there's nothing he has done in the NFL that gives me one iota of hope for the team I dedicated my life too.


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I can't remember a scenario where a rookie quarterback was successful with no running game and a trash offensive line. I'm willing to listen to anyone who can present an argument that disputes this. Until then, the Rosen trade was a homerun.
 
How many throws did it take Aaron Rodgers?



This is an interesting watch. He had a lot of work to do when he first came into the league

Wow. So much has changed since then. His throwing mechanics, his arm looks stronger, he seems to play faster today, a lot faster actually. Just wow, seems he had a very good coach.
 
Watch Murray come in this year, rally the Cards as a rookie, and completely lay waste to this whole “the team was too bad for Rosen to function” narrative.

The 2019 season got more interesting that’s for sure

OTOH it would be even more interesting if Murray craps the bed and/or gets broken in half while by game 9 despite all the sacks, Rosen ends up playing lights out?
 
I can't remember a scenario where a rookie quarterback was successful with no running game and a trash offensive line. I'm willing to listen to anyone who can present an argument that disputes this. Until then, the Rosen trade was a homerun.
The trade is a home run no matter what happens. Let’s put it this way: going into the season w Fitz as the starter had me so uninterested that I was contemplating taking up lawn darts to pass my Sunday’s. Now I know I will be watching the games. For sure.
 
The reason Marino was never a rookie (besides some skill) was the team around him in 1983.

The OL alone

OT Jon Geisler
G Ed Newman
G Bob Kuechenberg
C Dwight Stephenson
OT Eric Laakso

FYI Roy Foster was a backup OL at the time ,the no1 pick the previous year.

The rest of the roster were the legendary Killer B's, receivers guys like Duper, Clayton, Moore , Harris,Rose, Hardy, Jensen (wasn't even playing receiver yet).

Come on that team was loaded and coached by Shula if there was anywhere for Marino to succeed it was with this team. The locker rooms leadership top notch, coaching top notch and a complete veteran team.

Furthermore, Marino had just been humiliated by his fall in the draft and being exposed for shortcomings while at Pitt (including personality issues). If you watched the draft coverage that year,I believe the draft guru of the time was Paul Zimmermann (might be wrong on that one) who ripped the pick left, right, up and down, and followed it up by questioning who was going to teach Marino as there was nobody in Miami to do it. The panel even questioned Marino's mechanics stated "he pushed the ball"not threw it (whatever the heck that meant). I suspect that, the fall and being called a coke head lit a fire under his gifted buttocks.

Rosen may or may not be the answer, to compare these two QBs team situations under the assumption they were remotely equal is not logical at all.

But there is one point they are same, just like Marino, Rosen has been publicly embarrassed, now we find out who he really is under the veneer.
 
I can't remember a scenario where a rookie quarterback was successful with no running game and a trash offensive line. I'm willing to listen to anyone who can present an argument that disputes this. Until then, the Rosen trade was a homerun.

Deshaun Watson
 


Great article by Barnwell. I think you have to factor in his rookie year while understanding the context (bad situation), so I disagree that you should throw it out. Rosen was always a QB that needed a good situation (much like Goff and Haskins). It was no surprise to see him struggle in Arizona, but I did view him as a 1st Round QB, because he has the tools to succeed in an advantageous situation. There are only so many QB's who can do that (certainly less than 32).

You can see in the chart above that Rosen is most accurate (relative to other QB's) in the 11-20 yard range and that he was more accurate (according to the chart) in the 16-20 yard range than any QB over the last two drafts, and that should suit a NE-style Offense.

The idea that he would have been QB1 in this class is pure nonsense, but he would have been right there with Haskins fighting for QB2. At the price Miami paid, that's too good to pass up. I hope Miami is able to develop the OL, though, because he really does need a good situation to be a quality player. That's where the deal and the Wilkins pick break down for me.

My biggest problem with the trade is now the Dolphin's have muddled the decision of drafting a qb in the first round next season. What, in the front office's mind, would qualify as enough from Rosen's play to make them bypass the opportunity to draft a qb next season? I want the Dolphins to take a qb in the first round next year regardless of Rosen being on the roster. I want them to understand that most likely the qb's in next year's class will be better prospects than Rosen and better equipped to carry a franchise with their talent ala Pat Mahomes. I see Rosen, in a best case scenario, as a Jerad Goff type qb who could be solid when the system around him is great, but I am afraid that this inept front office wouldn't be smart enough or bold enough to take a chance on taking a transformative prospect at qb even when it is staring them in the face.
 
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I'll give Rosen a chance this year. I remember seeing him get outperformed in the dome during the preseason by Taysom Hill. Hill didn't complete many passes and was horrible himself with the exception of running plays.
I remember leaving that game happy that we didn't draft him. He just looked lost. Of course you can't judge a prospect in his 1st preseason but that's my take.
Hopefully last year was an adjustment year.
 
My biggest problem with the trade is now the Dolphin's have muddled the decision of drafting a qb in the first round next season. What, in the front office's mind, would qualify as enough from Rosen's play to make them bypass the opportunity to draft a qb next season? I want the Dolphins to take a qb in the first round next year regardless of Rosen being on the roster. I want them to understand that most likely the qb's in next year's class will be better prospects than Rosen and better equipped to carry a franchise with their talent ala Pat Mahomes. I see Rosen, in a best case scenario, as a Jerad Goff type qb who could be solid when the system around him is great, but I am afraid that this inept front office wouldn't be smart enough or bold enough to take a chance on taking a transformative prospect at qb even when it is staring them in the face.

With you 100. Rosen would have to play well enough to keep Miami from having a shot at a top QB - taking the choice out of my hands. If I'm in position to draft a QB in 2020, I'm doing it.
 
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