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"rosen Will Have To Earn The Starting Position"

phins_4_ever said:
Where did you see anybody saying to wait that a QB is a finished product? Without playing a QB can never become a finished product. You'd be waiting forever.

Across a few threads the notion was made that rookie QBs should start from the get-go.

I don't see a problem with Rosen sitting for 2 or 3 games and looking at the game from the outside. In the end it does not matter from an evaluation point if Rosen plays 13 or 16 games. But the 3 games watching could make a world of difference.
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The highlighted portion of the post you quoted from BNF.
 
The path is clear for Rosen and has a cliche along with it. He is the young guy who must beat out the seasoned veteran. Fitz has learned much about the position and the game in his NFL years.
Rosen comes in with a young, beat the world mentality.
Ultimately, I want the young guy to EARN his spot by clearly taking it.
 
NBP81 said:
Those are all fair points. I mostly agree with all this. My main gripe here is they all benifit the 2019 Dolphins, which are essentially a 16 game pre season for 2020, where the window starts. This is how they positionned themselves. They once again have picks and money, but it doesnt mean **** if they cant say for sure if Rosen has potential to be an elite/franchise QB.

Long story short, if the Fins play 2019 to win games as their #1 objective, they are playing the wrong game. This is preparation time for the 2020 off-season. Fitz has no place on this team beyond 2019.

Thanks for actually explaining your point of view, those are all understandable as watching your favorite team play for anything other than winning games sucks.
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What? Of course playing to win games is their #1 objective or rather it should be. How are you going to sell all that hard work in the offseason and then come in the season and then intentionally try and lose games? Then you're just going to turn it on for real in 2020? What? Come on man you gotta be kidding!
 
ANUFan said:
What? Of course playing to win games is their #1 objective or rather it should be. How are you going to sell all that hard work in the offseason and then come in the season and then intentionally try and lose games? Then you're just going to turn it on for real in 2020? What? Come on man you gotta be kidding!
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Big difference between winning games not being your #1 priority and intentionnally trying to lose games...
 
Put another way, what is a win worth in a season where you KNOW you're not making the playoffs?
On the other hand, how much is it worth to know how likely Rosen is to be the anwser at QB before an off season where you have a 100M+ in cap space and around 15 draft picks and most probably picking in the top 10?
 
phins_4_ever said:
Where did you see anybody saying to wait that a QB is a finished product? Without playing a QB can never become a finished product. You'd be waiting forever.

Across a few threads the notion was made that rookie QBs should start from the get-go.

I don't see a problem with Rosen sitting for 2 or 3 games and looking at the game from the outside. In the end it does not matter from an evaluation point if Rosen plays 13 or 16 games. But the 3 games watching could make a world of difference.
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The team has to decide at the end of the season whether they're going to pursue a QB in the draft. Its not fair to Rosen but he will be judged on this single season, and for both him and those who will be passing judgement more is better. If he had the luxury of a three year window to prove himself then there may be value absorbing from the sidelines. But he doesn't, and three games can make all the difference in the world.

Just look at Darnold. He had his moments but for the most part early in the season he looked like the worst version of his USC self. Take away his last three games and you'd have a lot of Jets' fans feeling a whole lot worse about their future prospects. And he was going to get another couple of seasons regardless.....Rosen won't be so fortunate.
 
phins_4_ever said:
The only people who say that Rosen is a one-season try out are some fans and some talking heads in the media. Rosen gets backup money from us. He may live out his contract with us either as starter or backup.
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I'm not sure what your point is with this response. I don't think it adequately addressed what I was saying at all. Maybe I was unclear.

We're trying to build the best team we possibly can. We aren't supposed to be taking shortcuts anymore. We may have given up more to get Rosen than I thought was necessary, but giving up a second and a fifth when we have so many needs still is substantial even if you consider it a bargain for your present or future starting QB.

If you don't know what you have in Rosen by next season, or at least have a pretty good idea, and you wind up passing on Tua, Herbert, and Fromm as a result, and then Rosen hits the field and we discover he wasn't what we hoped, you throw the rebuild back a couple of years at least.

Rosen's not competing with Aaron Rodgers. He's up against Ryan Fitzpatrick. Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't going to be leading to the NFL's upper echelon. He's a journeyman. If Rosen at least isn't on a par with him, that's concerning, and it shows he probably isn't the answer. If he is on a par with him, he should play. He gets to be the leader, he gets the first team reps, the field time, and we all know what we have.

Finally, neither of us know who is saying Rosen is a one-year tryout, unless you have serious connections in the Dolphins front office. I do think it's kind of a strange turn of events that two days ago I caught flak because I didn't want to trade for Rosen, and now I am getting opposition from what seems like some of the very same people who wanted him so badly not wanting him on the field anytime soon.
 
Digital said:
I agree @LANGER72 I would start Fitzmagic. Let's look at their performances last year … clearly Rosen has a lot of room for improvement, so why thrust him into a role until he's mastered the system?

We know that Fitzmagic runs hot and cold, so I expect the coaching staff to start the best player, and that's likely to be Fitzmagic. But, he's going to start to implode, as he always has in the past. At that point, Rosen should be ready to take the helm, with lowered expectations and support from both the team and fans. That's the perfect environment for Rosen to come in … with lowered expectations and full familiarity with the scheme, and with his teammates having full familiarity with the scheme so they make less mistakes.

I don't see the benefit of throwing Rosen to the wolves before he or any of his teammates have learned our complex offensive scheme. I don't see the benefit of setting him up to fail yet again. I don't see the benefit of putting him in when the expectations are highest and likelihood of success and criticism are highest.

Let Fitzmagic bear the brunt of all that. We know he runs hot and cold, so Rosen will get plenty of chances to run this team. Let's set Rosen up for success, or at least lower the expectations so he can develop. Start Fitzmagic, then bring Rosen in after the team has acclimatized to our new offense.
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Very well explained. Thanks
 
PCmor said:
If you don't know what you have in Rosen by next season, or at least have a pretty good idea, and you wind up passing on Tua, Herbert, and Fromm as a result, and then Rosen hits the field and we discover he wasn't what we hoped, you throw the rebuild back a couple of years at least.
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Yup! though a couple of years seems optimistic... Because once you had 100M+ and 15 draft picks of talent on the Fins, provided they are semi competent, you're right back to 8-8 and constantly picking 15th-20th in the draft year after year with a mediocre QB...
 
phins_4_ever said:
That is such a stupid argument. Based on that Baker Mayfield last year was a bust because the Browns started Taylor.
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No, based on that their coaching staff was a bust. If this coaching staff doesn't put Rosen on the field opening day then Miami might be in the same boat as Cleveland was with their coaching staff. Rosen needs to be evaluated on as many snaps as possible right from the get go. Rosen already had a full season to get his feet wet last season. It's time to find out if he sinks or swims. Miami needs to find out about him by the end of the season so they can evaluate him against next year's qb class.
phins_4_ever said:
I don't think you want Rosen to succeed.
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Like you didn't want Tannehill to succeed?
 
I'm all for Josh standing next to O'Shea for 2-3 games watching Fitz try to execute the system, asking questions and discussing the reasoning along the way. Rather than going from being shellshocked in AZ's last game to right back on the field for us, it would be a constructive way for him to mentally decompress while hopefully the OL begins to coagulate. Start him in the 3rd or 4th game so that he can audition under the better of both his and the Fins shakey circumstances.
 
I think that even if Fitzpatrick wins (by a small margin), Fitzpatrick has to totally dominant to win the starter job, that Rosen will get the starting job regardless. Fitzpatrick will be on the sidelines come game day.
 
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