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Who Did We Miss Out On By Trading For Rosen?

I would guess we missed out on Zach Allen at 64, because he is a DL/DE guy that fits our scheme and fills a need we failed to fill, edge rusher. If not him, I would think it would be all the way down to 77 and Chase Winovich, who is the better version of Andrew Van Ginkel, who also fits out scheme and would fill that edge rushing scheme. Unfortunately, the drop off from Winovich to van Ginkel is pretty substantial. Then in Van Ginkel's spot we would have most likely drafted another starting OL.

Many on this board are fans of always taking shots at QB's … well that's what we did, so let's hope it works out. The reality is that when you choose you make two choices, the one you get, and the choice not to get the next best alternative … in this case it would have been a defensive starter who is an upgrade over Van Ginkel, and then probably a starting OL with the Van Ginkel pick.
 
For a franchise that overdrafted a QB and handed him the starting job for 7 years without bringing in competition I am pleased to see Miami at least take a chance by addressing the most important position in team sports.
 
I dont like Rosen and I dont think he's the anwser at QB... But what the Fins gave up is irrelevant... The whole process started because they had targeted him... The price was dead set at 2nd rounder, they didnt want to pay that price so they traded down to lower the cost of getting him. Rosen didnt effectively cost a second, he cost a 15 spot drop down and a couple of late picks. This is NFL backup value. Anyway you slice it, worst case scenario is you paid backup value for a backup.

Upside here is worth mentioning. Imagine if the Fins go in next years draft with their future franchise QB ALREADY on the roster at the cost of 6M for 4 seasons. With 15+ draft picks and 100M+ cap space.... Think about it...
You make good points, but here is my problem with the trade, and it has been all along. Will the front office be able to evaluate what Rosen is or is not and will they be willing to pull the trigger on another qb in the first round if Rosen shows flashes but isn't exceptional? Will they pass on a upgrade and a possible transformational qb in next year's draft in order to give Rosen time to develop into something that he isn't capable of? They have just muddled the decision for themselves and I don't trust them to do the right thing.
 
The simple fact is that everyone the FO had targeted up to pick 48 was taken. The Rosen trade was on the board but they didn't see it as worth 48 so downtrade, pick up a spot in 2020 and make the trade.

It's really pretty simple. No corn left for the lines that were worthwhile means start getting picks for next year.
 
Definitely some good players there. Hopefully, Rosen will make us forget who the team could have had.
 
Erik McCoy center was the obvious choice at 62.

Trading down and getting a 2020 2nd rounder was a part of the plan either way.
 
The Rosen move was the best move that I have seen out of Miami in years. Imagine if TBum was still calling the shots?! If Rosen doesn’t work out then he is a cheap backup to the QB that we draft next year. If he does light it up, then our QB search is over and we can focus on other positions with our 100+ million cap and around 14 picks.

I had zero faith in Miami when they kept Grier and hired Flores. Now, man I haven’t been this excited in years. Flores and O’Shea have been up Brady’s butt for years. My thought is that they see similar qualities in Rosen that Brady has. Rosen was what 21 last season and with a worst team than us. The kid needs a chance. I remember people here wanting to draft him last year.
 
The simple fact is that everyone the FO had targeted up to pick 48 was taken. The Rosen trade was on the board but they didn't see it as worth 48 so downtrade, pick up a spot in 2020 and make the trade.

It's really pretty simple. No corn left for the lines that were worthwhile means start getting picks for next year.

What's pretty brilliant about it too is consider they weren't competing against anyone for Rosen. So they weren't really in danger of losing the player they wanted(Rosen). So they essentially got Rosen for free or rather used N.O. 2nd round pick to pay for Rosen and deferred their 2nd round pick to next year.
 
What's pretty brilliant about it too is consider they weren't competing against anyone for Rosen. So they weren't really in danger of losing the player they wanted(Rosen). So they essentially got Rosen for free or rather used N.O. 2nd round pick to pay for Rosen and deferred their 2nd round pick to next year.

Exactly. We aren't sure of the details yet, but most likely the 5th we lost was probably due to that downtrade, who knows.
 
We got a QB with all the tools and alot of picks next year. I didnt even read the names we missed out on.
 
You make good points, but here is my problem with the trade, and it has been all along. Will the front office be able to evaluate what Rosen is or is not and will they be willing to pull the trigger on another qb in the first round if Rosen shows flashes but isn't exceptional? Will they pass on a upgrade and a possible transformational qb in next year's draft in order to give Rosen time to develop into something that he isn't capable of? They have just muddled the decision for themselves and I don't trust them to do the right thing.
If Rosen is anything short of exceptionnal, the Fins are going to be in position to draft an elite QB without trading up, it wont be a though decision.
 
If Rosen is anything short of exceptionnal, the Fins are going to be in position to draft an elite QB without trading up, it wont be a though decision.
I hope you are right. My biggest fear is he shows some flashes and the staff and front office get enamored enough to decide to pass on pulling the trigger on a qb and Miami gets stuck with an average qb in Rosen and they miss out in someone special from next year's qb class.
 
First things first. I didn't want to trade our 2nd round pick(#48)cause I felt we could have Rosen for our 3rd round pick(#78) and I guess our FO felt the same way because we didn't trade that 48 selection. We moved back to 62 and got an extra 2nd round pick in 2020. So that made me feel better about the trade. Now lets just say that we told Arizona we'd only trade our 78 picks for him plus that 5th rounder in 2020 and Arizona said no. That leaves two choices. Make the trade and give up that 62nd pick or keep the pick and draft a player at 62. Now I'm going to post a list of the players that were selected from 62 which is the pick we traded away and 77 which is one spot ahead of our 3rd round pick at 78.

I'm doing this to give everyone a chance to look at who we could have drafted if we had not traded for Rosen and after looking at the list, I'm happy we made the trade. There are some good players on that list but the impact a QB like Rosen could have for us imo is greater than what any of those players could have. 5 WR and 3 RB's were taken and I highly doubt we'd have drafted those two positions that high. Also two TE's and one DT that we were not drafting. There's two guys there that I like (Allen and Winovich but again, we're talking about talent wise the best QB we've had since Dan left. Here's the list

62-Andy Isabella-WR

63-Juan Thornhill-S

64-DK Metcalf-WR

64-Zach Allen-DE

66-Diontae Johnson-WR

67-Jalen Hurd-WR

68-Jachai Polite-DE

69-Josh Oliver-TE

70-Darrell Henderson-RB

71-Dremont Jones-DT

72-Germaine Pratt-LB

73-David Montgomery-RB

74-Devin Singletary-RB

75-Jace Sternberger-TE

76-Terry Mclaurin-WR

77-Chace Winovich-DE

Now I'm sure some of these players will be good NFL players but I don't see one on that list that I want to trade Rosen for at this point. Just my opinion of course. What's yours.
I think to truly test this exercise we need to go from pick 48, as that was our original pick that we traded out of as the first part of the Rosen plan.

The obvious player we missed out on is who NO took with our pick, Erik McCoy, and after that Taylor Rapp was highly rated at a position of need and went at 61. From the list beyond 62 Chase Winovich stands out, but would we have taken him at either 48 or 62, or risked waiting until our third round pick? Possibly at 62.

There are other good players on that list but I don't think we would ever realistically have taken a RB, WR or TE in the second.

When you look at it that way we gave up:

One of McCoy/Rapp/Winovich (or AN Other)
2019 4th
2020 5th

And got:

Josh Rosen
2020 2nd
2019 6th

(take that even further and assuming that the 2020 2nd and whoever we would have taken in the second this year cancel each other out, we got Rosen and a 6th for a 4th and a 5th!)

I was feeling very optimistic about the #48 pick at the start of day two but the run on OL (Ford, Taylor, Risner, Little, Jenkins) and CBs (Murphy, Ya-Sin, Williams) in the first half of the second round meant that by pick 48 a lot of potential starters in areas of need for us had gone. Yes one of McCoy/Rapp/Winovich would have contributed but if we'd been talking about Cody Ford or Byron Murphy instead then the decision to trade out and target Rosen might have been a lot more difficult.

So yeah absolutely agree that trading for Rosen instead of using the pick was the best move, but given the talent that slid out of the first round it could have been a lot harder to give up that pick.
 
I would've taken

WR Metcalf
RB Henderson
DE Polite
DE Winovich

Depending on who the coaching staff felt was the best fit.

I would've offered Arizona a 5th for Rosen. No one was competing with us for him
 
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