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Who Did We Miss Out On By Trading For Rosen?

I would've taken

WR Metcalf
RB Henderson
DE Polite
DE Winovich

Depending on who the coaching staff felt was the best fit.

I would've offered Arizona a 5th for Rosen. No one was competing with us for him
Brother I was hoping a fourth myself, or as it ended up a high 3rd but upon further reading the last day or so the Pats were thinking about get into the bidding.
 
the way I look at it: If the Cardinals called Miami during the first round last year and said "we'll trade you Rosen (10th overall) and our 2nd round pick in 2020 for your 2019 2nd and 4th round pick." I would have thought they can't be serious. Even if it backfires that's a deal you can't refuse.
 
I think I would have stayed at 48, picked McCoy and called the Cardinals bluff by offering our 3rd and the 5th from next season. I might be wrong, but at the time, that's what I thought.

I am becoming increasingly of the opinion that if the Dolphins had done this, Josh Rosen would be a Patriot today.
 
I am becoming increasingly of the opinion that if the Dolphins had done this, Josh Rosen would be a Patriot today.
And that may be correct. I do find it interesting that Belichick is seeming to have no plan for a future after Brady. It's almost like he is upset at Kraft. He had his guy, Jimmy G, and Kraft made him trade him. Now he seems to just be saying, screw the future, when Brady's gone, too bad.
 
The Rosen move was the best move that I have seen out of Miami in years. Imagine if TBum was still calling the shots?! If Rosen doesn’t work out then he is a cheap backup to the QB that we draft next year. If he does light it up, then our QB search is over and we can focus on other positions with our 100+ million cap and around 14 picks.

I had zero faith in Miami when they kept Grier and hired Flores. Now, man I haven’t been this excited in years. Flores and O’Shea have been up Brady’s butt for years. My thought is that they see similar qualities in Rosen that Brady has. Rosen was what 21 last season and with a worst team than us. The kid needs a chance. I remember people here wanting to draft him last year.

TBaum would’ve gave up the 1st and restructured the contract. :lol:
 
What does it matter. Rosen is here. Can't change it

Well yes and I'm sure there are plenty of threads to discuss Rosen on the Dolphins. This thread is about speculation and also its about going on record at the time to say I agree or disagree with this move and I think Miami should have done this or I love what they did and wouldn't change it.


For me personally Danny I wouldnt choose any of the directions that you suggested I would have stayed at 48 and took Mccoy and not even thought twice about it. Like @BahamaFinFan78 already suggested. Imo Mccoy and bradberry are some of the best C prospects in a while and for one of them to drop to us in the second is wild. I think even giving up our traded back 2nd rounder for rosen was too high but hey I can respect it considering rosens age and contract situation.
 
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The simple fact is that everyone the FO had targeted up to pick 48 was taken. The Rosen trade was on the board but they didn't see it as worth 48 so downtrade, pick up a spot in 2020 and make the trade.

It's really pretty simple. No corn left for the lines that were worthwhile means start getting picks for next year.

Could not disagree more. Maybe you don't rate Mccoy as high of a prospect as I think he is but there was certainly good corn there for the taking.
 
Brother I was hoping a fourth myself, or as it ended up a high 3rd but upon further reading the last day or so the Pats were thinking about get into the bidding.

Do you think the pats were even interested or just wanted us to up our offer?

Another intresting way to look at it is we have poached plenty of staff from NE. Maybe they all rated Rosen high and they know everyone over in NE really did value rosens skillset. I could see the pats really being interested or I could see them throwing out an offer just to try and force us to up ours if we really want Rosen.
 
I think to truly test this exercise we need to go from pick 48, as that was our original pick that we traded out of as the first part of the Rosen plan.

The obvious player we missed out on is who NO took with our pick, Erik McCoy, and after that Taylor Rapp was highly rated at a position of need and went at 61. From the list beyond 62 Chase Winovich stands out, but would we have taken him at either 48 or 62, or risked waiting until our third round pick? Possibly at 62.

There are other good players on that list but I don't think we would ever realistically have taken a RB, WR or TE in the second.

When you look at it that way we gave up:

One of McCoy/Rapp/Winovich (or AN Other)
2019 4th
2020 5th

And got:

Josh Rosen
2020 2nd
2019 6th

(take that even further and assuming that the 2020 2nd and whoever we would have taken in the second this year cancel each other out, we got Rosen and a 6th for a 4th and a 5th!)

I was feeling very optimistic about the #48 pick at the start of day two but the run on OL (Ford, Taylor, Risner, Little, Jenkins) and CBs (Murphy, Ya-Sin, Williams) in the first half of the second round meant that by pick 48 a lot of potential starters in areas of need for us had gone. Yes one of McCoy/Rapp/Winovich would have contributed but if we'd been talking about Cody Ford or Byron Murphy instead then the decision to trade out and target Rosen might have been a lot more difficult.

So yeah absolutely agree that trading for Rosen instead of using the pick was the best move, but given the talent that slid out of the first round it could have been a lot harder to give up that pick.



Quality post sir!
 
First things first. I didn't want to trade our 2nd round pick(#48)cause I felt we could have Rosen for our 3rd round pick(#78) and I guess our FO felt the same way because we didn't trade that 48 selection. We moved back to 62 and got an extra 2nd round pick in 2020. So that made me feel better about the trade. Now lets just say that we told Arizona we'd only trade our 78 picks for him plus that 5th rounder in 2020 and Arizona said no. That leaves two choices. Make the trade and give up that 62nd pick or keep the pick and draft a player at 62. Now I'm going to post a list of the players that were selected from 62 which is the pick we traded away and 77 which is one spot ahead of our 3rd round pick at 78.

I'm doing this to give everyone a chance to look at who we could have drafted if we had not traded for Rosen and after looking at the list, I'm happy we made the trade. There are some good players on that list but the impact a QB like Rosen could have for us imo is greater than what any of those players could have. 5 WR and 3 RB's were taken and I highly doubt we'd have drafted those two positions that high. Also two TE's and one DT that we were not drafting. There's two guys there that I like (Allen and Winovich but again, we're talking about talent wise the best QB we've had since Dan left. Here's the list

62-Andy Isabella-WR

63-Juan Thornhill-S

64-DK Metcalf-WR

64-Zach Allen-DE

66-Diontae Johnson-WR

67-Jalen Hurd-WR

68-Jachai Polite-DE

69-Josh Oliver-TE

70-Darrell Henderson-RB

71-Dremont Jones-DT

72-Germaine Pratt-LB

73-David Montgomery-RB

74-Devin Singletary-RB

75-Jace Sternberger-TE

76-Terry Mclaurin-WR

77-Chace Winovich-DE

Now I'm sure some of these players will be good NFL players but I don't see one on that list that I want to trade Rosen for at this point. Just my opinion of course. What's yours.

Good thread, Danny.

I was wondering the same thing. I hated the trade at first, but the more time I’ve had to think about it, it’s really growing on me. Very low risk, and if he ends up being the guy, then it doesn’t matter who they would’ve drafted in the 2nd. Worth the gamble. Not much of a gamble anyway.

The only thing truly lost is the 5th next year, 4th this year. We can think of the 2nd as being transferred to next year. A 4th & 5th to roll the dice and maybe find a franchise QB? Sure, why not?

Even if he pulls a Tannehill like performance or better and we happen to go 8-8ish, the Dolphins have so many draft picks next year. Trading up to #2 (if needed) will be doable. I’m guessing #1 will be locked to the team who wants the highest QB on their board.

We’ll see how it plays out, but there’s a lot of evidence suggesting things are vastly different in the front office. In past years, we’d be the team looking stupid like Arizona was. Grier wanted to give up a 3rd and ended up giving almost the same value of a 3rd anyway after the trade. Very savvy. I literally got out of the couch and started clapping like Ox from Belly when I saw the trade down.

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Could not disagree more. Maybe you don't rate Mccoy as high of a prospect as I think he is but there was certainly good corn there for the taking.

I wanted a center in the 2nd, but if Rosen ends up being the guy, it was worth it. My hope is Grier doesn’t feel the need to stick with him if he doesn’t show much. The investment isn’t the same.
 
Good thread, Danny.

I was wondering the same thing. I hated the trade at first, but the more time I’ve had to think about it, it’s really growing on me. Very low risk, and if he ends up being the guy, then it doesn’t matter who they would’ve drafted in the 2nd. Worth the gamble. Not much of a gamble anyway.

The only thing truly lost is the 5th next year, 4th this year. We can think of the 2nd as being transferred to next year. A 4th & 5th to roll the dice and maybe find a franchise QB? Sure, why not?

Even if he pulls a Tannehill like performance or better and we happen to go 8-8ish, the Dolphins have so many draft picks next year. Trading up to #2 (if needed) will be doable. I’m guessing #1 will be locked to the team who wants the highest QB on their board.

We’ll see how it plays out, but there’s a lot of evidence suggesting things are vastly different in the front office. In past years, we’d be the team looking stupid like Arizona was. Grier wanted to give up a 3rd and ended up giving almost the same value of a 3rd anyway after the trade. Very savvy. I literally got out of the couch and started clapping like Ox from Belly when I saw the trade down.

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I didn't like the trade at first either, but adding in the trade down and getting a future second next year was savvy as ****. Miami has put themselves in a win win season. Rosen plays well, they win, he plays like ****, they win. Miami has enough assets next year to move up if they need to.

Good **** Chris Grier. Maybe, just maybe, Miami got lucky with these two men we have leading the team now.
 
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