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Who Did We Miss Out On By Trading For Rosen?

You’re looking at this deal from only the perspective of the single pick for this year. In reality, the real players passed on due to this trade are Tua and the rest of the QB’s next draft, and possibly Lawrence the following year. The FO has basically decided that Rosen is better than this year’s and next year’s QB class.

I know everyone wants to believe the FO will start him right away (unlikely, as it will likely not happen until the OL can protect), and will re-draft a QB in the next draft, but that is wild speculation with little grounding in common sense. Everyone on this board seems to want to dismiss Rosen’s lack of success in AZ based on the very same deficiencies Miami has going into this season. Why wouldn’t he get at least two full seasons to be evaluated here?

If you believe Rosen is a better QB than anyone else over the next two drafts, you should be excited about this trade. My perspective is that there is better talent at QB that we will be passing up because of this move, making this trade far from positive unless Rosen is amazing, which I just don’t see.
 
Phinatic8u said:
I didn't like the trade at first either, but adding in the trade down and getting a future second next year was savvy as ****. Miami has put themselves in a win win season. Rosen plays well, they win, he plays like ****, they win. Miami has enough assets next year to move up if they need to.

Good **** Chris Grier. Maybe, just maybe, Miami got lucky with these two men we have leading the team now.
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Miami didn’t have to give up this year’s second to do poorly. Giving up a second to tank is one of the most ridiculous theories I have ever seen on this site, and that is saying a lot.
 
volk said:
You’re looking at this deal from only the perspective of the single pick for this year. In reality, the real players passed on due to this trade are Tua and the rest of the QB’s next draft, and possibly Lawrence the following year. The FO has basically decided that Rosen is better than this year’s and next year’s QB class.

I know everyone wants to believe the FO will start him right away (unlikely, as it will likely not happen until the OL can protect), and will re-draft a QB in the next draft, but that is wild speculation with little grounding in common sense. Everyone on this board seems to want to dismiss Rosen’s lack of success in AZ based on the very same deficiencies Miami has going into this season. Why wouldn’t he get at least two full seasons to be evaluated here?

If you believe Rosen is a better QB than anyone else over the next two drafts, you should be excited about this trade. My perspective is that there is better talent at QB that we will be passing up because of this move, making this trade far from positive unless Rosen is amazing, which I just don’t see.
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I see your concern about missing out on next year's crop of qbs and I share some of it to an extent, it's either Rosen kills it this year to the point that we don't even care to take one of next year's prospects and then we use all our picks on team needs instead of having to use those resources to find a qb. Or we pull an Arizona and say thanks Rosen but no thanks and he either stays as a back up or we cut bait with not nearly as much invested as Arizona had and move on to the next one
 
Blackcreekbandit said:
I see your concern about missing out on next year's crop of qbs and I share some of it to an extent, it's either Rosen kills it this year to the point that we don't even care to take one of next year's prospects and then we use all our picks on team needs instead of having to use those resources to find a qb. Or we pull an Arizona and say thanks Rosen but no thanks and he either stays as a back up or we cut bait with not nearly as much invested as Arizona had and move on to the next one
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That scenario sounds good enough, but it is total speculation. The FO wrote off one season of Rosen’s already, why wouldn’t they write off next year’s and at least one more for him here? Honestly, he is moving into an almost identical scenario (save, possibly for coaching, and that is still an unknown) as what he had in AZ for his first year in Miami. A failed season and poor performance will be expected this season. That leaves us the following draft to put talent around him, and one more season to see the team overall and if it has helped. This would be a normal, acceptable and prudent approach for any rookie QB.

If Miami does consider him fully evaluated and washed up after one season, then a new QB will be brought in and Rosen will have to be released at much lower value than he was traded for. If he couldn’t share the QB room with Murray, why would anyone believe he can share it for any other top prospect?

Don’t forget that there is no guarantee where we will be in draft order next year, either. Do we really believe the team is going to package a bunch of pics for a QB when Rosen is still untested?
 
volk said:
That scenario sounds good enough, but it is total speculation. The FO wrote off one season of Rosen’s already, why wouldn’t they write off next year’s and at least one more for him here? Honestly, he is moving into an almost identical scenario (save, possibly for coaching, and that is still an unknown) as what he had in AZ for his first year in Miami. A failed season and poor performance will be expected this season. That leaves us the following draft to put talent around him, and one more season to see the team overall and if it has helped. This would be a normal, acceptable and prudent approach for any rookie QB.

If Miami does consider him fully evaluated and washed up after one season, then a new QB will be brought in and Rosen will have to be released at much lower value than he was traded for. If he couldn’t share the QB room with Murray, why would anyone believe he can share it for any other top prospect?

Don’t forget that there is no guarantee where we will be in draft order next year, either. Do we really believe the team is going to package a bunch of pics for a QB when Rosen is still untested?
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Imo worst case scenario for us would be for rosen to get hurt
 
I am not Rosen’s biggest fan but I’m open minded and look forward to seeing his game develop and how our FO builds a system for him to flourish in.

He’s a dolphin now and I’m going to root like hell for him.

I would’ve been happy to take the DE or another defensive player there instead and start Fitz eyeing a QB in 2020. Would it have been Tua? Maybe not. So do I like Rosen comparably to Herbert or Fromm...it’s similar but I would’ve barely edged out the former two prospects. It’s a crapshoot anyway.

I just hope this young man can develop into a star for our franchise both on the field and in the locker room.
 
I was thinking more about what we could have done in round two if we had drafted Haskins.

Not complaining, just contemplating.
 
volk said:
You’re looking at this deal from only the perspective of the single pick for this year. In reality, the real players passed on due to this trade are Tua and the rest of the QB’s next draft, and possibly Lawrence the following year. The FO has basically decided that Rosen is better than this year’s and next year’s QB class.

I know everyone wants to believe the FO will start him right away (unlikely, as it will likely not happen until the OL can protect), and will re-draft a QB in the next draft, but that is wild speculation with little grounding in common sense. Everyone on this board seems to want to dismiss Rosen’s lack of success in AZ based on the very same deficiencies Miami has going into this season. Why wouldn’t he get at least two full seasons to be evaluated here?

If you believe Rosen is a better QB than anyone else over the next two drafts, you should be excited about this trade. My perspective is that there is better talent at QB that we will be passing up because of this move, making this trade far from positive unless Rosen is amazing, which I just don’t see.
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This is pure speculation on your part. At worst Rosen is a back-up QB for 3 years at 2 mil a year...a bargain in my opinion. The way I look at it is we got him and a second for next years draft...
 
volk said:
You’re looking at this deal from only the perspective of the single pick for this year. In reality, the real players passed on due to this trade are Tua and the rest of the QB’s next draft, and possibly Lawrence the following year. The FO has basically decided that Rosen is better than this year’s and next year’s QB class.

I know everyone wants to believe the FO will start him right away (unlikely, as it will likely not happen until the OL can protect), and will re-draft a QB in the next draft, but that is wild speculation with little grounding in common sense. Everyone on this board seems to want to dismiss Rosen’s lack of success in AZ based on the very same deficiencies Miami has going into this season. Why wouldn’t he get at least two full seasons to be evaluated here?

If you believe Rosen is a better QB than anyone else over the next two drafts, you should be excited about this trade. My perspective is that there is better talent at QB that we will be passing up because of this move, making this trade far from positive unless Rosen is amazing, which I just don’t see.
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It shows that they're considering other options than a QB next year, but I wouldn't say it's as black and white as giving up on that possibility completely. It muddies the waters and seems to go against what everyone assumed was the original plan, but they're just looking at multiple possibilities.

I would also disagree that he's walking into the same situation here as he has in Arizona; 50% yes (the piss-poor OL) but the other half of the issues were the awful coaching. Although we don't know whether the new coaching team are any good I think we need to give them the benefit of the doubt that they can assess and use Rosen in a way that makes it clear if we're going to need a new QB in 2020.
 
Danny said:
I never said it mattered. Draft is over and it's going to be boring here. Just wanted to give a different perspective for everyone to look at.
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I admit I have little use for speculation or theoretical discussion. A personal flaw. I prefer discussions linked to evaluation/probability. That said, I suspect the OL will be better than some think. Scheme will help a lot
 
It says they are not happy just mailing it in this year and waiting for next.

They took a calculated gamble on a Top 10 prospect for peanuts.

Of all the talk of this FO wanting to tank and the crying that happened after, they proved those skeptics wrong by loading the chamber with a prospect that we can evaluate as a legitimate long term solution in a weak QB class whole NOT wrecking our draft for next year or the next to be in a position to draft out future then.

Some of you have not seen the genius in this move. We lose nothing and gained everything. We have more picks next year than we did last week, we got a top tier QB prospect to evaluate (draft a QB every year until found) and we didn't impact our salary cap in any way.

Win, win, win

Some people just like complaining
 
I think this shows the FO's commitment to finding a franchise QB. You can speculate all day long that this means not drafting a QB next year, and I get that concern. But at the end of the day, it's just speculation. I see a lot of posters get upset over things that they THINK will happen in the future. It's funny.
 
Nobody that was more important than an investment into the most important position on the field.
 
Fin Fan in Cali said:
Brother I was hoping a fourth myself, or as it ended up a high 3rd but upon further reading the last day or so the Pats were thinking about get into the bidding.
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Well the Pat’s did draft a QB, so it sure seems like they could have considered it...
 
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