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Josh Rosen Film Review

fins317 said:
OMG, We finally have a 1st round Quarterback draft pick on our team but we want to moan and groan if he is the right person.
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what the hell did we have for the last 7 years? IMO its the same problem we have now with Rosen. We have a guy whose success depends on the players around him. How is that any different than the last 7 years? You win in this league with a QB that makes the players around him better, not vice versa.
 
dnespins said:
what the hell did we have for the last 7 years? IMO its the same problem we have now with Rosen. We have a guy whose success depends on the players around him. How is that any different than the last 7 years? You win in this league with a QB that makes the players around him better, not vice versa.
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Rosen is bad, but what qb doesn't need help?

All of them do, stop with this want of the perfect qb that can win without anything around him.
 
dnespins said:
what the hell did we have for the last 7 years? IMO its the same problem we have now with Rosen. We have a guy whose success depends on the players around him. How is that any different than the last 7 years? You win in this league with a QB that makes the players around him better, not vice versa.
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Aaron rodgers has how many rings.. lots of qbs are good but the ones on good teams are consistent
 
dnespins said:
what the hell did we have for the last 7 years? IMO its the same problem we have now with Rosen. We have a guy whose success depends on the players around him. How is that any different than the last 7 years? You win in this league with a QB that makes the players around him better, not vice versa.
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One of the things that are differences is accuracy and arm strength. How many deep inaccurate throws did we experience over the last 7 years. Take a look at Rosen's deep balls and you will see the difference. I am not saying Rosen is going to be the next Marino, I just like the move as it is low risk and low dollars with upside potential. I am just trying to be open minded and give the front office credit and see how it plays out. I think it was a smart move to draft a 1st round QB with a second round pick.
 
dnespins said:
what the hell did we have for the last 7 years? IMO its the same problem we have now with Rosen. We have a guy whose success depends on the players around him. How is that any different than the last 7 years? You win in this league with a QB that makes the players around him better, not vice versa.
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For the record, have you watched any of those cardinal games? After watching every snap of his from last year I can confidently say that the Cardinals go 0-16 with the average NFL QB. David Johnson was essentially non existent, Larry Fitzgerald (on the eye test) had more drops than ever before in his career and his only consistent weapon was Ricky Seals-Jones.

That’s not to mention the OL that had 2 practice squad players, a late round pick, and 2 guys that were claimed off waivers from other teams right before being plugged into the lineup.

If you want your mind blown further, no matter who wins the competitions across the line in camp, the offensive line the Dolphins trot out week 1 will be by far the best line Rosen has ever played with.
 
Rosen was impressive in that Seahawks game. He literally had 2 TDs dropped. For a bunch of yards too
 
My biggest take away is I wish we had a Larry Fitzgerald here.
 
I’m kinda at a loss for if you know this your day 2 plan going in you take a dt at 13 instead of investing in what this kid needs more than anything. Protection help.

Just seems like we are setting him up for failure out the gate even.

Not to mention he needs about 10 more lbs in his lower half. But hopefully he’s worked on that. Kinda thin framed lower half especially.
 
hoops said:
I’m kinda at a loss for if you know this your day 2 plan going in you take a dt at 13 instead of investing in what this kid needs more than anything. Protection help.

Just seems like we are setting him up for failure out the gate even.

Not to mention he needs about 10 more lbs in his lower half. But hopefully he’s worked on that. Kinda thin framed lower half especially.
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I respect your opinion, but predicating your first round pick on a deal that is not complete, and could realistically not happen at all, would seem foolish, IMO.

Not only that, I'm not in favor of using rd1 picks on any o-linemen, aside from LT, which is one of the few positions at which we are set.
 
Mach2 said:
I respect your opinion, but predicating your first round pick on a deal that is not complete, and could realistically not happen at all, would seem foolish, IMO.

Not only that, I'm not in favor of using rd1 picks on any o-linemen, aside from LT, which is one of the few positions at which we are set.
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I’m operating under the likelihood that this deal was by and large ironed out in terms of compensation at that point. I mean they did say that was the plan all along going in if things went ideally for Grier.

wilkins then acquire Rosen in trade.

I can’t assume that they had options to trade out at 13 but I would think grand scheme of things that finding out if Rosen’s the guy trumps any dt add.

In terms of bpa they may have felt Wilkins was the guy and I get that but again what’s more valuable finding out about the qb or a dt add?

Just more indicator for me that we did nothing more than hedge our qb bets.
 
Thanks guys for this appreciate the feedback on our new guy.

My take on all this is that I wanted Rosen last year when he was there (with a small trade up) to go get, we didn't get him and took Minkah instead. Had you told me then that in 12 months time we would have him and Minkah, and the leader of the national champs D on the team I would have been delighted.

The fact that we are getting a first round draft pick, who remember is still only 22, younger than our #1 taken this year for peanuts, less than what we are paying for what may end up being his back up, is a fantastic piece of business that will allow us scope to build a team around him if he pans out.

Trading for him makes so much sense the more I think about it. We are in a luxurious position of being able to assess a QB who has be picked out as a huge talent from his middle school days, someone that another team moved up in the draft to pick high in the first round. We can do this in an environment where wins really don't matter and with a senior QB in the room who has been around the league a long while, has a reputation of being an excellent presence in there and can challenge Rosen on a intellectual level. He's also go a QB coach here that is respected throughout the league, again is very experienced and been an HC in the past.

The other aspect to all this is that we are still very much in the game next year, we are not tied to Rosen at all, if he doesn't work out, financially we won't lose much if we cut him. I wanted us to take Haskins at 13, we didn't so I would assume the FO didn't love the kid, they are tied to that decision now and if Haskins goes on to be an elite QB, they will forever be called out for that decision if we fail to find our own franchise guy in the next year or two. I wanted us to get Lock too in the second, we would have had to jump Denver who were always going to take him but we didn't. However had we taken Lock in the second it would have complicated the 2020 draft for taking a QB in the first unlike Rosen where we haven't tied ourselves to him, the Broncos are tied to at least giving Lock a chance assuming Flaco doesn't do a Bradford and plays pretty much all the season there. If we had picked either Haskins in the first or Lock in the 2nd, barring a Zona kind of season another QB in 2020 was probably out of the question.

After the draft I'm actually looking forward to this season a lot more, it's going to be fascinating to see if we have our franchise guy or whether we have to wait until April next year to pick him. No expectations on the season, no pressure, no divisive coaching staff and a new QB whom I'm sure will not be given 7 years to prove himself.
 
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hoops said:
I’m operating under the likelihood that this deal was by and large ironed out in terms of compensation at that point. I mean they did say that was the plan all along going in if things went ideally for Grier.

wilkins then acquire Rosen in trade.

I can’t assume that they had options to trade out at 13 but I would think grand scheme of things that finding out if Rosen’s the guy trumps any dt add.

In terms of bpa they may have felt Wilkins was the guy and I get that but again what’s more valuable finding out about the qb or a dt add?

Just more indicator for me that we did nothing more than hedge our qb bets.
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I guess I can't make the leap of that assumption.

I don't think the Rosen deal happens, at all, had we not been able to move back via the NO trade.

Trading back rd1 is a different animal. I didnt address it because it's a variable that would require cooperation from another team, willing to make it worthwhile. Apparently there wasn't a viable offer.
 
djphinfan said:
I’m in the middle of his reps last year..

The drive in week 8 against the niners was very nice, for one drive it all clicked and he caught up, so here’s where I’m at thus far..

At this point, He can’t catch up to the speed.. one play he’s slow and taking extra steps before he throws it, he’s late basically, so then he realizes he playing late, and then rushes everything on the next drive..

He’s caught in this viscous cycle of trying to find his personal rhythm, on top that, he’s getting little help from his line or skill players.
But that drive against the niners was timed up..

I’m gonna continue to watch the rest, however, I think I just wanna be a fan on this one and hope that because of how young he was, and how incompetent the staff was, that time and reps will allow him to feel the speed better thus allowing his senses to be more aware and allow him to position his body to execute..

I’m very confident that he is not physically strong enough at this point and he really needs to strengthen his body, you can see it affect all parts of his game..especially his balance when he’s knocked off his mark, and the way he’s taking hits is not good for his future..

Like everyone is saying, this is not going to keep me from wanting to select a qb next year, if Josh lights it up then awesome, he’s such a conscientiousness dude, with a chip, I’m def rooting for him
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Also... there is inevitably a point in the development of a rookie where the game slows down...I’m not sure he had a chance to get there with his starting O-line on IR.
 
Geordie said:
Thanks guys for this appreciate the feedback on our new guy.

My take on all this is that I wanted Rosen last year when he was there (with a small trade up) to go get, we didn't get him and took Minkah instead. Had you told me then that in 12 months time we would have him and Minkah, and the leader of the national champs D on the team I would have been delighted.

The fact that we are getting a first round draft pick, who remember is still only 22, younger than our #1 taken this year for peanuts, less than what we are paying for what may end up being his back up, is a fantastic piece of business that will allow us scope to build a team around him if he pans out.

Trading for him makes so much sense the more I think about it. We are in a luxurious position of being able to assess a QB who has be picked out as a huge talent from his middle school days, someone that another team moved up in the draft to pick high in the first round. We can do this in an environment where wins really don't matter and with a senior QB in the room who has been around the league a long while, has a reputation of being an excellent presence in there and can challenge Rosen on a intellectual level. He's also go a QB coach here that is respected throughout the league, again is very experienced and been an HC in the past.

The other aspect to all this is that we are still very much in the game next year, we are not tied to Rosen at all, if he doesn't work out, financially we won't lose much if we cut him. I wanted us to take Haskins at 13, we didn't so I would assume the FO did love the kid, they are tied to that decision now and if Haskins goes on to be an elite QB, they will forever be called out for that decision if we fail to find our own franchise guy in the next year or two. I wanted us to get Lock too in the second, we would have had to jump Denver who were always going to take him but we didn't. However had we taken Lock in the second it would have complicated the 2020 draft for taking a QB in the first unlike Rosen where we haven't tied ourselves to him, the Broncos are tied to at least giving Lock a chance assuming Flaco doesn't do a Bradford and plays pretty much all the season there. If we had picked either Haskins in the first or Lock in the 2nd, barring a Zona kind of season another QB in 2020 was probably out of the question.

After the draft I'm actually looking forward to this season a lot more, it's going to be fascinating to see if we have our franchise guy or whether we have to wait until April next year to pick him. No expectations on the season, no pressure, no divisive coaching staff and a new QB whom I'm sure will not be given 7 years to prove himself.
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I don't see it as anything more than hedging our bets at QB either.

I think he's cheap, has high upside, and was in a horrible situation in AZ, to the point that his failings there are almost meaningless.
 
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