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How Would Josh Rosen Need To Perform In 2019 For You To Forgo Drafting A 1st Round Qb In 2020?

Top level ball placement and feel for the position. Not worried about perfect mechanics because he’s still so young, but I gotta see those instincts shine thru.

Yes, instincts. Particularly a "killer instinct". Performance, under pressure, with the game on the line.

That's what I want.
 
If Miami is in position to take Tua he is the pick regardless of how well Rosen plays.

This isn't meant to be a knock on Rosen. If Rosen plays his best he still won't be as good as Tua throwing the ball down the field. Tua's deep ball accuracy is the best I've ever seen in college.

A lot can happen during a year, assuming Hebert and Fromm continue to develop I think Rosen would need to be playing at a pro bowl level consistently in the second half of season to pass on either of those two.

Having two good QBs on Miami's roster is a solution, not a problem.
 
If Miami is in position to take Tua he is the pick regardless of how well Rosen plays.

This isn't meant to be a knock on Rosen. If Rosen plays his best he still won't be as good as Tua throwing the ball down the field. Tua's deep ball accuracy is the best I've ever seen in college.

A lot can happen during a year, assuming Hebert and Fromm continue to develop I think Rosen would need to be playing at a pro bowl level consistently in the second half of season to pass on either of those two.

Having two good QBs on Miami's roster is a solution, not a problem.

I think if your staff and front office are confident Rosen is the guy after this season, you don't draft Tua or any of the other QBs if you have a top five pick. You trade down and continue to accumulate assets to put around Rosen. Maybe you use one of those assets to draft a QB in the third or fourth round. A guy like Stidham from Auburn this year, who has a chance and falls.
 
Playoffs? Lol. Did you see all the talent surrounding Mayfield last year and they didn't even make the playoffs. If that's your threshold then you're totally setting yourself up for disappointment .

My answer is this:

When he takes the field as a starter, which I don't think is right away, I want to see the following:

Not making the same mistake again. Young QBs make mistakes, good ones don't repeat mistakes

Touch and timing throws are on point. This line probably won't be good so I want to see his ability to throw WRs open and hit the timing routes. If he's doing that I'll be impressed with how he is reading Ds.

Improve over last year's numbers - shouldn't be hard. That offense was miserable.


This are the big things for me. This team isn't built for a playoff run no matter how well he plays. Seeing these things vs NFL teams tells me he's the real deal. These kids in the draft next year don't have that experience so they're still just a guess .
 
I think if your staff and front office are confident Rosen is the guy after this season, you don't draft Tua or any of the other QBs if you have a top five pick. You trade down and continue to accumulate assets to put around Rosen. Maybe you use one of those assets to draft a QB in the third or fourth round. A guy like Stidham from Auburn this year, who has a chance and falls.

You cannot be confident in Rosen if we have the top pick. Not possible. Simply put, if we have the top pick, you have to take Tua.
 
I think if your staff and front office are confident Rosen is the guy after this season, you don't draft Tua or any of the other QBs if you have a top five pick. You trade down and continue to accumulate assets to put around Rosen. Maybe you use one of those assets to draft a QB in the third or fourth round. A guy like Stidham from Auburn this year, who has a chance and falls.

If I have to chance to draft Tua, I'm drafting him no matter what confidence I have in Rosen. They can keep both QB's or try and trade Rosen if he has any trade value after this season.
 
I think if your staff and front office are confident Rosen is the guy after this season, you don't draft Tua or any of the other QBs if you have a top five pick. You trade down and continue to accumulate assets to put around Rosen. Maybe you use one of those assets to draft a QB in the third or fourth round. A guy like Stidham from Auburn this year, who has a chance and falls.
If Grier and Flores follow this path and Tua goes to a functional organization with decent enough talent then Grier and Flores will forever be known as the "F'ing Idiots" that passed on Tua. He's that good.

My view has always been if a team doesn't have a top 10 QB then that team has QB problems. If Rosen fulfills his potential maybe he's knocking on the door down the road. Whereas Tua has a legit chance to be at the very top of the list.

Rosen is going to most likely need talented players all playing well to get to and succeed in the playoffs and that's extremely hard for a team to do year after year without an elite QB.

Tua has the skill set to pull his team into the playoffs on an annual basis when talent is depleted during years as roster turns over due to injuries, free agency, unsuccessful draft for a couple of years, etc...
 
He'd have to perform very well, especially if we have a top 5-10 pick. I'd be much more tempted to move up in one of those scenarios.

If we have a pick in the 15-20...unfortunately my bar for success would probably drop.

I think that, for me, highlights one of the challenges that come alongside with the opportunity.
 
Reminds me of Drew Brees and Rivers. Brees hit his stride just after they drafted Rivers. I hope Josh shows signs he is the future and we finish 8-8. We dont need Tua and can really hit on the draft.
 
Reminds me of Drew Brees and Rivers. Brees hit his stride just after they drafted Rivers. I hope Josh shows signs he is the future and we finish 8-8. We dont need Tua and can really hit on the draft.

You're crazy to think we don't need Tua. Did you ever consider that Tua might be a much better QB than Rosen ever will be? Now they might not be in position to draft Tua after this season, but if they are they better take him.
 
He’d have to be lights out and clearly a franchise QB because anything less and you just can’t justify passing on Tua.

What we definitely can’t do is see him have a Tannehill-like season and then pass on one of the 2020 elite QBs hoping he continues to develop. Then we’re back where started with Tannehill. That’s the reason I didn’t want him in trade.
 
What is your threshold? Is there a certain stat line you are expecting? Win/Loss total? Overall feel and perception of how Rosen handles certain situations?

What do you need to see from Rosen to be comfortable skipping on a 1st round QB in next year's draft?

Basically '84 Marino
 
Rosen has talent, the question in Miami is, Does he have enough talent around him to succeed? Rosen will have a decent group of Wr's and unknown group of TE's, led by a journeymen. This is Miami's strongest group on offense. How this plays into Rosen's success, remains to be scene. The Offensive Line is what will make or break Rosen's success under center. He was pressured in Arizona at a 40% rate, Miami will need to do way better than that, inorder for him to have more success. The next 2 seasons will truly determine how successful he'll be in Miami, as they begin to build the Offensive Line and skill positions around him. Given the fact he's got 3 years left on his contract, it may not be until 2021 when we fans finally see the fruits of the F/O labor in the construction of the team. But it be prudent for the organization not to discount another franchise type QB in favor of Rosen. Especially with the potential of the QB's that may be eligible to be drafted over the next 2 seasons?
 
He'd have to perform very well, especially if we have a top 5-10 pick. I'd be much more tempted to move up in one of those scenarios.

If we have a pick in the 15-20...unfortunately my bar for success would probably drop.

I think that, for me, highlights one of the challenges that come alongside with the opportunity.
That is an excellent point.

I'm not in favor of trading away our entire future of #1s for any QB, as there are no gaurantees that QB is the second coming of Marino.

I see many posters think Tua is a sure thing. That's false, as there are no "sure things" in life.

I would point out, though, that if we are picking in the 15-20 range, its a safe assumption that Rosen was incredibly successful, making the whole arguement moot.
 
I'm drafting a QB next year REGARDLESS. And the next and the next. Even if not a 1st Round Pick, I'm drafting every year to churn the talent and keep everyone earning their check.

Make them earn it.

We NEED .. we MUST find a Franchise QB

The worst that could happen is we have two on the roster.

Rosen is here for peanuts. As far as I'm concerned, we found AT LEAST our backup QB for the next 3 years.

Until someone proves to me on the field he is THE guy, I'm still looking

And I'll continue to keep looking even then. QB is the most important decision to get right. So, give it all the chances it needs. And then more.
 
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