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Slimm's 2020 Quarterbacks (underclassman)

Hardly news. Legitimate scrutiny is never welcome in Tuscaloosa or other sheltered college towns. Don't dare ask the questions when you can merely be absorbed and write public relations pieces, while being championed by all your buddies at the bar.


You still sore over that 52-6 beatdown I told you was going to happen to USC? Find something else to do fella, or I'll find it for you.
 
Has Tom Brady had an effect on how quarterbacks our evaluated?

Doesn't seem like he would be highly regarded coming out now day's, he wouldn't be a 1st round draft choice, yet he's proven he is the best QB of the last 15 years.
 
Has Tom Brady had an effect on how quarterbacks our evaluated?

Doesn't seem like he would be highly regarded coming out now day's, he wouldn't be a 1st round draft choice, yet he's proven he is the best QB of the last 15 years.


I don't think so. Brady apparently wasn't highly regarded by the NFL when he came out 20 years ago which is why he was a 6th Round pick. But many factors played into that.

Pocket passers translated to the NFL prior to Brady and after Brady. But I think as more elements of the spread have found their way into the NFL (RPO's, operating primarily from the Shotgun, etc.) teams have found themselves more likely to take chances on more mobile and athletic quarterbacks. Even short/small quarterbacks. Height isn't as much of a factor if you're going to keep him in the shotgun all the time as opposed to operating from under center.

The rules of the game have never been so slanted in favor of keeping quarterbacks upright and healthy as they are now. Combined with the rookie salary cap. Teams just feel they can take more risks now with regards to the QB position than ever before.

I believe Drew Brees has had more of an impact on how QB's are evaluated than any other.
 
How would you compare Tua to Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray? To early to tell?

Does Tua size 6'1" not all that tall and him being a left handed QB have an effect with some teams looking to draft a QB?
 
Have to admit that Brady's unwavering ability to drive for TD's at the most critical times in games, were even more talented QB (Peyton Manning and many others have faltered) has to be the single greatest attribute Brady has. Why isn't that the single most important factor when evaluating QB's?
 
How would you compare Tua to Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray? To early to tell?

Does Tua size 6'1" not all that tall and him being a left handed QB have an effect with some teams looking to draft a QB?

I hope so, Miami could use a steal.
 
How would you compare Tua to Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray? To early to tell?

Does Tua size 6'1" not all that tall and him being a left handed QB have an effect with some teams looking to draft a QB?
I don't think the size of Tua is an issue at all and slimm has alluded to this. Smaller QBs are getting more chances. Heck Tua is at least the same size as Mayfield and taller then Murray. Both of whom went #1 overall. As for left handed? Idk if that's a bad thing, it will throw a curveball to the defense
 
1. Tua
2. Fromm
3. Herbert
4. Love

Doubt this changes much over the next 11 months. Unless Love can somehow improve his velocity. Herbert is the toughest eval. You watch games like Stanford and he looks like a franchise guy, throw on another and he looks very mediocre. I think all 4 will start in the league, Tua and Fromm are 12+ year guys.

If Rosen lays an egg Miami needs to draft Tua or Fromm.
 
1. Tua
2. Fromm
3. Herbert
4. Love

Doubt this changes much over the next 11 months. Unless Love can somehow improve his velocity. Herbert is the toughest eval. You watch games like Stanford and he looks like a franchise guy, throw on another and he looks very mediocre. I think all 4 will start in the league, Tua and Fromm are 12+ year guys.

If Rosen lays an egg Miami needs to draft Tua or Fromm.


Fromm has to prove he can do something on his own other than ride that running game to notch easy W’s in his win column. Every time he’s been forced to do something to this point, he hasn’t been able to.

He can turn to mush when pressured and can’t throw off platform to save his life.

Tiny hands.

Jordan Love is a better prospect.
 
Fromm has to prove he can do something on his own other than ride that running game to notch easy W’s in his win column. Every time he’s been forced to do something to this point, he hasn’t been able to.

He can turn to mush when pressured and can’t throw off platform to save his life.

Tiny hands.

Jordan Love is a better prospect.

You said yourself that you wouldn't say it definitively and that Fromm is an outstanding prospect. That last sentence reads pretty definitively.

I thought he made some big throws against UF and Bama this year. And Kyler, Tua, and Trevor Lawrence all have superior supporting casts. How many skill guys at UGA would've started at those schools?

You don't have (major) concerns about Love's velocity? There are throws on tape where he's struggling to get swing passes out to the flat.
 
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You said yourself that you wouldn't say it definitively and that Fromm is an outstanding prospect. That last sentence reads pretty definitively.

I thought he made some big throws against UF and Bama this year. And Kyler, Tua, and Trevor Lawrence all have superior supporting casts. How many skill guys at UGA would've started at those schools?

You don't have (major) concerns about Love's velocity? There are throws on tape where he's struggling to get swing passes out to the flat.

Yeah Fromm can be really good when he’s on, which is what I said. But in order to be on, the running game has to be working so he can generate off of it.

I mean, even Drew Lock looked great against Florida. Fromm made some throws against Bama until the game was on the line and Bama quit turning the football over. Go rewatch it and see him wilt when Bama brought pressure in the 4th quarter. He couldn’t rely on the running game anymore when Bama took the lead.

Chubb, Michel, Swift, Holyfield, Nauta, Hardman, Ridley, Godwin, Holloman...most of em would start at Bama at some point. Alabama recruited every single one of those kids.

Did you see Fromm try to throw against LSU?

I don’t worry about velocity on a swing pass to the flat. It’s a touch throw more than a velocity throw. Although I understand what you’re saying - he can tend to put too much arc on certain throws. But he can drive the football good enough. He’s not fireballin everything from 4 yards away like Tyree Jackson.

I think it’s a sign of a mature passer. Not a deficient one.
 
Yeah Fromm can be really good when he’s on, which is what I said. But in order to be on, the running game has to be working so he can generate off of it.

I mean, even Drew Lock looked great against Florida. Fromm made some throws against Bama until the game was on the line and Bama quit turning the football over. Go rewatch it and see him wilt when Bama brought pressure in the 4th quarter. He couldn’t rely on the running game anymore when Bama took the lead.

Chubb, Michel, Swift, Holyfield, Nauta, Hardman, Ridley, Godwin, Holloman...most of em would start at Bama at some point. Alabama recruited every single one of those kids.

Did you see Fromm try to throw against LSU?

I don’t worry about velocity on a swing pass to the flat. It’s a touch throw more than a velocity throw. Although I understand what you’re saying - he can tend to put too much arc on certain throws. But he can drive the football good enough. He’s not fireballin everything from 4 yards away like Tyree Jackson.

I think it’s a sign of a mature passer. Not a deficient one.

I'm sure Fromm wants to bury the LSU tape. There's a few throws he just doesn't pull the trigger on that could've led to big plays. I try not to overreact to any one game, I remember Goff threw like 5 picks against Utah. Most prospects have a game they want to bury 6 feet under.

Love's touch and accuracy are what have me excited about him, and as you mentioned, his pocket movement is really good.

When did the leg injury happen? I could've watched him at less than 100% the velocity is my big concern, and with the injury might be tough to judge. CK have you charted him?

In the games I watched, I saw a starter you can win with, a Mariota/Trubisky level talent. I'd prefer Miami roll with Rosen
 
1. Tua
2. Fromm
3. Herbert
4. Love

Doubt this changes much over the next 11 months. Unless Love can somehow improve his velocity. Herbert is the toughest eval. You watch games like Stanford and he looks like a franchise guy, throw on another and he looks very mediocre. I think all 4 will start in the league, Tua and Fromm are 12+ year guys.

If Rosen lays an egg Miami needs to draft Tua or Fromm.

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I'm sure Fromm wants to bury the LSU tape. There's a few throws he just doesn't pull the trigger on that could've led to big plays. I try not to overreact to any one game, I remember Goff threw like 5 picks against Utah. Most prospects have a game they want to bury 6 feet under.

Love's touch and accuracy are what have me excited about him, and as you mentioned, his pocket movement is really good.

When did the leg injury happen? I could've watched him at less than 100% the velocity is my big concern, and with the injury might be tough to judge. CK have you charted him?

In the games I watched, I saw a starter you can win with, a Mariota/Trubisky level talent. I'd prefer Miami roll with Rosen

Yes I have. That's why I'm a bit confused to see velocity described as a problem.

He...is a FLAME THROWER.

What you're describing is a problem of experience and feel. It's a sign of maturity that he understands what throws need arc and what throws need heat. But he's still working on his change-up. You can see it. His change-up looks like a promising, but half-finished product.

His fast ball is one of the best out there. Period. Full stop. There's a reason I keep comparing him to Patrick Mahomes.

Mahomes by the way if you really tracked him in college this way did NOT burn up the atmosphere with his fast ball all the time. He played in the type of offense where you typically see passers sort of throwing at a comfortable 90% of what they're capable of, even when they're dialing it up. The way you could detect how special Mahomes's arm was, was by paying attention to what he was capable of while on the move. And he was CONSTANTLY on the move. That man hardly ever just set up and delivered, the way you think about it in a classical sense.

If you are one of those who likes Clayton Thorson, I think that's something he had in common with Patrick Mahomes. Not the arm talent, because he doesn't have that level of arm talent. But the way he was constantly throwing on the move, inside the pocket, outside the pocket, etc. He had some really, really sh-tty blocking. Just like Patrick Mahomes.

The difference being that whereas Patrick Mahomes actually converted a full 60% of his 3rd & <10 plays, which is an almost unheard of number for a full season's worth of work, especially a Texas Tech season which is like 1.5 seasons to most other passers, Clayton Thorson only converted about about 44% of those.

That's just one little statistic, but it's one that I like, because whatever you think of the way the passing game has evolved over the last 20-30 years, third down is still third down, and it has been almost wholly resistant to the secular trend of increasing passing potency/efficiency.

The point is simple, that where Mahomes generally (with the exception of one game against Iowa State) turned chicken sh-t into chicken salad at Texas Tech, Clayton Thorson turned chicken sh-t into chicken sh-t at Northwestern.

But we were talking about Jordan Love. My bad.

Watch the San Jose State game if you want to see finger-breaking passes. There was one that should have been an interception and you could tell that there was absolutely no way the defensive back was going to catch the ball, because it was just that hot.
 
I'm sure Fromm wants to bury the LSU tape. There's a few throws he just doesn't pull the trigger on that could've led to big plays. I try not to overreact to any one game, I remember Goff threw like 5 picks against Utah. Most prospects have a game they want to bury 6 feet under.

Love's touch and accuracy are what have me excited about him, and as you mentioned, his pocket movement is really good.

When did the leg injury happen? I could've watched him at less than 100% the velocity is my big concern, and with the injury might be tough to judge. CK have you charted him?

In the games I watched, I saw a starter you can win with, a Mariota/Trubisky level talent. I'd prefer Miami roll with Rosen


I thought you were extremely high on Trubisky? I remember you said he was the best QB in the draft and it wasn't close.

Love and Fromm are in very different situations, but I believe they're very close in terms of overall grade to this point. Love checks a few more boxes though.

I just hope all these kids stay healthy and nobody suffers any sort of serious injury. All of these teams are in big trouble in terms of achieving their goals should they lose these quarterbacks. Especially Bama and UGA. They have almost nothing on the bench now due to kids transferring out.
 
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