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How Would Josh Rosen Need To Perform In 2019 For You To Forgo Drafting A 1st Round Qb In 2020?

What? You don't think we should have taken a rd1 QB every year of Dan's career?

Yes they should. Just like the Pats have drafted a R1 QB every year since Brady and the Steelers with Ben, and the Saints with Brees, and . . .
But we don't have to go that far. Lets take the middlin' teams. The Lions and Stafford. The Giants and EManning. There's a reason that's not done, . . . or done rarely.
 
Stop this damn non-sense. He didn't play well. He threw more interceptions than TDs. Had a 66 passer rating. Went 3-10. Got fired after one year. I don't care how bad you perceive his situation was last year. He didn't play well. That's why the team he played for last year ate all his salary cap and moved on. No team was willing to give up a first or second rounder until Grier **** his pants and caved. Can he improve? Sure but he didn't play worth a **** last year. Quit trying to excuse the bad play away.

Y'all are beyond ridiculous with the excuse making already for Rosen. Didn't we just go through this with thill. At least thill's last year could be explained by injuries. And his season looks like roses compared to Rosen. It's not even close.

Stop this damn non-sense. He didn't play well. He threw more interceptions than TDs. Had a 66 passer rating. Went 3-10. Got fired after one year. I don't care how bad you perceive his situation was last year. He didn't play well. That's why the team he played for last year ate all his salary cap and moved on. No team was willing to give up a first or second rounder until Grier **** his pants and caved. Can he improve? Sure but he didn't play worth a **** last year. Quit trying to excuse the bad play away.

Y'all are beyond ridiculous with the excuse making already for Rosen. Didn't we just go through this with thill. At least thill's last year could be explained by injuries. And his season looks like roses compared to Rosen. It's not even close.

I thought the same thing until I watched some film. Stop relying on stats.
 
Why do you say that?



Then tell me, how does a rebuild work?

I say that because if we win a total of 5/6 games the next two years combined (1st overall pick needs to be 3 or less wins), then Flores is likely to be fired, IMO. By taking Rosen, we've blown apart the "tanking" narrative. A #1 overall pick in 2021 is a failure in my eyes.

I believe a rebuild works by being absolutely awful for a year or 2 at most and accumulating draft picks and talent. We now have a top shelf QB prospect year ONE into the rebuild, so the clock starts now.

This is just how I see it, I'm not the crystal ball of how this all plays out.
 
I say that because if we win a total of 5/6 games the next two years combined (1st overall pick needs to be 3 or less wins), then Flores is likely to be fired, IMO. By taking Rosen, we've blown apart the "tanking" narrative. A #1 overall pick in 2021 is a failure in my eyes.

I believe a rebuild works by being absolutely awful for a year or 2 at most and accumulating draft picks and talent. We now have a top shelf QB prospect year ONE into the rebuild, so the clock starts now.

This is just how I see it, I'm not the crystal ball of how this all plays out.

While I've "liked" your post, I think "We now have a top shelf QB prospect" is too strong. Miami has a QB Flores apparently has faith in and has committed resources to get. Whether or not Rosen is or becomes "top shelf" is unknown. The tank talk is dead to all but the delusional. Flores is now on the clock. What Miami does in R1 next year is dependent on this fall.
 
While I've "liked" your post, I think "We now have a top shelf QB prospect" is too strong. Miami has a QB Flores apparently has faith in and has committed resources to get. Whether or not Rosen is or becomes "top shelf" is unknown. The tank talk is dead to all but the delusional. Flores is now on the clock. What Miami does in R1 next year is dependent on this fall.

Agreed on all counts but I said "top shelf prospect" - which he was both as a 5 star high-school recruit and college prospect. He was picked top 10 last year and has all the tools. As far as prospects go, he's top shelf, but that doesn't mean he will make as a top shelf NFL QB. Having a **** rookie year doesn't make him any worse of a prospect. Bad rookie years are common.
 
Agreed on all counts but I said "top shelf prospect" - which he was both as a 5 star high-school recruit and college prospect. He was picked top 10 last year and has all the tools. As far as prospects go, he's top shelf, but that doesn't mean he will make as a top shelf NFL QB. Having a **** rookie year doesn't make him any worse of a prospect. Bad rookie years are common.

Can't disagree with that.
 
I say that because if we win a total of 5/6 games the next two years combined (1st overall pick needs to be 3 or less wins), then Flores is likely to be fired, IMO. By taking Rosen, we've blown apart the "tanking" narrative. A #1 overall pick in 2021 is a failure in my eyes.

I believe a rebuild works by being absolutely awful for a year or 2 at most and accumulating draft picks and talent. We now have a top shelf QB prospect year ONE into the rebuild, so the clock starts now.

This is just how I see it, I'm not the crystal ball of how this all plays out.
I don't think losing enough games to garner the #1 overall pick is something any team should aspire to. That is a loser mentality, and its contagious, as well as cancerous in a locker room.

Grier has done a good job of stockpiling picks so far, and, given his public statements, there is no reason for me to believe he will waste them.

Since 1990, 17 QBs have been taken #1 overall. Two have won championships. A few more have had, what i would consider, sucessful careers.

IOW, having, and using the top pick on a QB is far from a gauranteed thing anyway.
 
That would be the Ryan Leaf/Peyton Manning pre-draft debate all over again. We know how that turned out.

Not even close. They way they researched back then and today are night and day. Manning would of been the clear cut number one pick of them 2. The way they do there research today I wouldn’t be surprised. if Leaf dropped to the end of the 1st maybe even 2nd or 3rd round. My brother was at WSU a year behind Leaf. And while he didn’t witness anything, there where plenty of rumors that Leaf was a entitled party animal.
 
Not even close. They way they researched back then and today are night and day. Manning would of been the clear cut number one pick of them 2. The way they do there research today I wouldn’t be surprised. if Leaf dropped to the end of the 1st maybe even 2nd or 3rd round. My brother was at WSU a year behind Leaf. And while he didn’t witness anything, there where plenty of rumors that Leaf was a entitled party animal.
I didn't mean in terms of ability, you are correct, those are easily tangible today, I was more using it for an example of comparing the atmosphere of the back and forth banter that would be taking place as to who should be the #1 pick. It was pretty intense leading up to that pick.
 
Agreed on all counts but I said "top shelf prospect" - which he was both as a 5 star high-school recruit and college prospect. He was picked top 10 last year and has all the tools. As far as prospects go, he's top shelf, but that doesn't mean he will make as a top shelf NFL QB. Having a **** rookie year doesn't make him any worse of a prospect. Bad rookie years are common.
Not just common, but usually.
Sometimes the best "prospects" just aren't what they were purported to be. More often, though, top QBs go to terrible teams, and the odds are against them from the beginning.

I think the Phins made a good gamble here, but I think the real beneficiary is Rosen himself, for being able to escape AZ, before his carreer was ruined completely.

Obviously, by saying that, I put a great deal of faith in Grier, and the staff he has put together from scouts, to coaches.
 
Another thing to remember is Rosen doesn't have to look so good that he makes the Dolphins bypass the qb draft of 2020. If Rosen just has a Jimmy Garoppolo type season season the dolphins would a have nice trade chip to help move up in the draft too. If Rosen has a good year they might at least get their second round pick back. Remember the Patriotrs started out asking for a first and second round pick for Garoppolo. Garoppolo was eventually traded to the 49ers for a 2018 second round pick (43rd overall).
 
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Another thing to remember is Rosen doesn't have to look so good that he makes the Dolphins bypass the qb draft of 2020. If Rosen just has a Jimmy Garoppolo type season season the dolphins would a have nice trade chip to help move up in the draft too. If Rosen has a good year they might at least get their second round pick back. Remember the Patriotrs started out asking for a first and second round pick for Garoppolo. Garoppolo was eventually traded to the 49ers for a 2018 second round pick (43rd overall).
That's an intersting scenerio, but the circumstances here, as opposed to NE are not similar. NE had a multi MVP, and SB winner in Brady.

If Rosen plays well, and shows a high ceiling, they are not trading him for a #2.
 
Not just common, but usually.
Sometimes the best "prospects" just aren't what they were purported to be. More often, though, top QBs go to terrible teams, and the odds are against them from the beginning.

I think the Phins made a good gamble here, but I think the real beneficiary is Rosen himself, for being able to escape AZ, before his carreer was ruined completely.

Obviously, by saying that, I put a great deal of faith in Grier, and the staff he has put together from scouts, to coaches.

And, likely, terrible coaches.
 
And, likely, terrible coaches.

I’m sure I heard on one of the fx1 shows. That in the last 10 years if you had a rookie QB start 8 games or more. That 68 % of the head coaches lost there job that year. So if I where Kingsbury I’d rent not buy.
 
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