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How Would Josh Rosen Need To Perform In 2019 For You To Forgo Drafting A 1st Round Qb In 2020?

Mach2 said:
That's an intersting scenerio, but the circumstances here, as opposed to NE are not similar. NE had a multi MVP, and SB winner in Brady.

If Rosen plays well, and shows a high ceiling, they are not trading him for a #2.
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I think it would depend on if they thought the ceiling for Tua or Herbert was even higher.
 
russianbear said:
I say that because if we win a total of 5/6 games the next two years combined (1st overall pick needs to be 3 or less wins), then Flores is likely to be fired, IMO. By taking Rosen, we've blown apart the "tanking" narrative. A #1 overall pick in 2021 is a failure in my eyes.

I believe a rebuild works by being absolutely awful for a year or 2 at most and accumulating draft picks and talent. We now have a top shelf QB prospect year ONE into the rebuild, so the clock starts now.

This is just how I see it, I'm not the crystal ball of how this all plays out.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree....
 
He doesn't have to do that good at all in my opinion. I doubt we draft a QB next year in the first. All you fans stuck on tanking for some make believe savior crack me up. There is no sure thing in the draft period. Tua could be a bust just like every other draft pick.
 
rosens should be able won 6 to7 games this yr. that would be good for start.
 
Gsmack_42 said:
I’m sure I heard on one of the fx1 shows. That in the last 10 years if you had a rookie QB start 8 games or more. That 68 % of the head coaches lost there job that year. So if I where Kingsbury I’d rent not buy.
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Probably increases the 2nd yr. Interesting stat. But there are still those who KNOW a top rookie QB can work magic.
 
Brad528 said:
He doesn't have to do that good at all in my opinion. I doubt we draft a QB next year in the first. All you fans stuck on tanking for some make believe savior crack me up. There is no sure thing in the draft period. Tua could be a bust just like every other draft pick.
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Wish I had time to see how many of those 'tank for tua' people are now predicting failure by Rosen and . . . wait for it . . . draft a R1 QB in '20
 
Plays big in big moments. Sees the whole field, most of the time, and throws to correct receiver. Wins games based on his ability. Has the confidence of the team in tight situation. Throws a good fade.
 
Great question! To me, he has to show the ability to be a top 10 caliber quarterback in NFL. If there is even a small doubt that he can't reach those heights, you delve back in and draft another quarterback.
 
Gsmack_42 said:
I’m sure I heard on one of the fx1 shows. That in the last 10 years if you had a rookie QB start 8 games or more. That 68 % of the head coaches lost there job that year. So if I where Kingsbury I’d rent not buy.
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Interesting, but I would have to look at the individual cases before I made too many assumptions.

Were said coaches hired by the current GMs, for example? Were the coaches "on board" with the particular QB selected?

I would suspect that all of the circumstances were not the same.
 
Mach2 said:
Interesting, but I would have to look at the individual cases before I made too many assumptions.

Were said coaches hired by the current GMs, for example? Were the coaches "on board" with the particular QB selected?

I would suspect that all of the circumstances were not the same.
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While I agree, the factor most likely to induce a HC's exit is W/L. Even if the HC isn't the GM's guy, firing a HC that obtained a rookie and gain 3 more wins is hard to fire. Even if the HC didn't want the rookie, still hard to fire. Again, you're right about variables, but the one over-riding variable that gets a HC fired.
 
I'm gonna give him 30 mins of his first game for us then just judge him solely on that for the rest of the time he's a fin. That's the correct way isn't it?!
 
Mach2 said:
Well, common sense would lead me to believe Grier, Flores and co. would be on their way out if we are still bottom of the league after 2 years, but if we are making progress, it wouldn't be impossible, with some wheeling and dealing of draft picks.

Assume we have a bad record next year, resulting in a top 3 pick. If we wanted another year to assess Rosen, we could easily parley that into a wealth of future picks.
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All the picks in the world won't get you Lawrence if the team with the first pick needs a qb and Lawrence turns out to be the prospect many believe him to be. No qb needy team will give up the opportunity to draft a potential franchise qb for any amount of draft picks whether it's for Lawrence in 2021 or Tua (or some other emerging qb prospect) in 2020.
 
Wont be judging him on wins/losses. I think most of us weren't expecting too many wins next season, don't think it's fair to now expect some sort of play off challenge. Nothing has really changed for me, use 2019 to get the players and coaches on the same page, develop players like Minkah and Howard and get everything in place to make a proper go of it in 2020. It's just now gonna be far more fun/interesting with Rosen/Fitz instead of Tannehill/Osweiler. If it works out with Rosen (which I really hope it does) it's a massive bonus, if it doesn't we should still be in a strong position next off season.
 
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