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volk said:
I am one who doesn’t care for the move. Honestly has nothing to do with Tua or any other specific prospect, really.

I simply believe everyone is judging this trade only by compensation, which I agree was solid and unusually shrewd for Miami. It is missing the point,though, to simply evaluate it this way.

Truth is, the trade will be successful only if Rosen sees a complete 180 from Arizona, and if not, is evaluated quickly and moved on from in time to get a new blue chip prospect. The coaching staff will make this trade amazing or a nightmare. There is now a potential QB controversy in Miami and a poor set of tools for Rosen to succeed. So no, not thrilled.
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I disagree. There's a middle ground - Rosen could end up being a backup. In the NFL, getting a backup for a low 2nd is a decent price
 
volk said:
I am one who doesn’t care for the move. Honestly has nothing to do with Tua or any other specific prospect, really.

I simply believe everyone is judging this trade only by compensation, which I agree was solid and unusually shrewd for Miami. It is missing the point,though, to simply evaluate it this way.

Truth is, the trade will be successful only if Rosen sees a complete 180 from Arizona, and if not, is evaluated quickly and moved on from in time to get a new blue chip prospect. The coaching staff will make this trade amazing or a nightmare. There is now a potential QB controversy in Miami and a poor set of tools for Rosen to succeed. So no, not thrilled.
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I disagree. There's a middle ground - Rosen could end up being a backup. In the NFL, getting a backup for a low 2nd is a decent price
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I disagree. There's a middle ground - Rosen could end up being a backup. In the NFL, getting a backup for a low 2nd is a decent price
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Trading a 2nd round pick for a back up QB is a horrible price.....Its okay to swing and miss at QB and keep swinging, but dont sugar coat it if its a miss.
 
Nappy Roots said:
Trading a 2nd round pick for a back up QB is a horrible price.....Its okay to swing and miss at QB and keep swinging, but dont sugar coat it if its a miss.
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Again, I disagree. There are very few good backups in the NFL. Had AZ kept Rosen, what would their backup had cost them? And, yes, there are a lot of low round backups, but there are some R1 QBs playing backup. And I'm talking about top backups. I'm not saying a R2 QB is an inexpensive backup (particularly for what Miami is paying), but he's not a top price backup.
 
volk said:
I am one who doesn’t care for the move. Honestly has nothing to do with Tua or any other specific prospect, really.

I simply believe everyone is judging this trade only by compensation, which I agree was solid and unusually shrewd for Miami. It is missing the point,though, to simply evaluate it this way.

Truth is, the trade will be successful only if Rosen sees a complete 180 from Arizona, and if not, is evaluated quickly and moved on from in time to get a new blue chip prospect. The coaching staff will make this trade amazing or a nightmare. There is now a potential QB controversy in Miami and a poor set of tools for Rosen to succeed. So no, not thrilled.
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I think for where we are at in the football landscape it was worth the risk. He by no means is a can’t miss but who really is other that maybe Trevor Lawrence who won’t be on an NFL field for a long time. If he’s terrible we are still gonna be drafting high
 
Spiff said:
Isn’t that true for all trades? I mean nobody ever called a trade a good trade if the player sucked.
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Not really. If we are going only by Rosen’s performance in the NFL to date, the trade would indeed be bad because his last year performance was very poor. You rate it high because of cost and potential upside, which is fine, but if Rosen remains what he was in AZ, it will actually have the legacy of being a bad trade in the end.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
Again, I disagree. There are very few good backups in the NFL. Had AZ kept Rosen, what would their backup had cost them? And, yes, there are a lot of low round backups, but there are some R1 QBs playing backup. And I'm talking about top backups. I'm not saying a R2 QB is an inexpensive backup (particularly for what Miami is paying), but he's not a top price backup.
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The difference is R1 and R2 QB’s that end up as career backups are QB’s that were drafted as starters and failed, sliding into the backup role. If Miami traded a second rounder for Rosen under the impression he would likely become a backup, they overspent. If they traded for him to be a starter and he becomes a franchise player, that would be a steal.
 
Martel13 said:
I think for where we are at in the football landscape it was worth the risk. He by no means is a can’t miss but who really is other that maybe Trevor Lawrence who won’t be on an NFL field for a long time. If he’s terrible we are still gonna be drafting high
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I see your point and don’t entirely disagree. The issue will be how much slack does Rosen get? How much evaluation time? How long will Miami insist on courting the potential of Rosen, vs the reality of Rosen? Will Miami be willing to pick another QB during the time Rosen is here? The answers to these questions are what will ultimately decide the real value of the trade. Of course, if Rosen lives up to his potential and becomes a true franchise QB, then the trade will be considered brilliant.
 
volk said:
Not really. If we are going only by Rosen’s performance in the NFL to date, the trade would indeed be bad because his last year performance was very poor. You rate it high because of cost and potential upside, which is fine, but if Rosen remains what he was in AZ, it will actually have the legacy of being a bad trade in the end.
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I think the conventional thought process is that Rosen's performance couldn't be accurately assessed do to the circumstances in AZ (the O-line, the coaching fiasco, etc). Most who like the move are dismissing, for the most part, his failure there and are going back to his pre draft evaluation.

Many are also happy with the fact that he seems to have matured as an individual during the past year, which was one of the few knocks on him.
 
volk said:
I see your point and don’t entirely disagree. The issue will be how much slack does Rosen get? How much evaluation time? How long will Miami insist on courting the potential of Rosen, vs the reality of Rosen? Will Miami be willing to pick another QB during the time Rosen is here? The answers to these questions are what will ultimately decide the real value of the trade. Of course, if Rosen lives up to his potential and becomes a true franchise QB, then the trade will be considered brilliant.
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At this point, he has 1 season to prove himself. I don't think the organization is looking beyond that. They are absolutely considering all possible outcomes, but I doubt they will waste multiple years if it is not working. At least I hope not.
 
volk said:
The difference is R1 and R2 QB’s that end up as career backups are QB’s that were drafted as starters and failed, sliding into the backup role. If Miami traded a second rounder for Rosen under the impression he would likely become a backup, they overspent. If they traded for him to be a starter and he becomes a franchise player, that would be a steal.
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Your first paragraph is exactly what the Dolphins did. They drafted him to be the starter, if it doesn’t work out he would be a nice back up. What exactly is your point because they certainly didn’t draft him to be a back up.
 
volk said:
The difference is R1 and R2 QB’s that end up as career backups are QB’s that were drafted as starters and failed, sliding into the backup role. If Miami traded a second rounder for Rosen under the impression he would likely become a backup, they overspent..
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Depends, I think on the definition of backup. If we bifurcate the world into true backup and marginal starters, it changes the math. Matt Moore was a good true backup. Good for a couple of games, but god help you if he was the starter for an entire year. Nick Foles is a marginal starter (well, this statement might be proven to be overly optimistic at the end of this year) -- can't put the team on his back alone, but give him a good enough team, he's more than good enough to win even the big game.

We don't know what we have in Rosen and we might need more than just one season to find out, but
* He's a true starer, we won and won huge
* He's a marginal starter, we're smart enough to not Tannehill ourselves (again) and draft in 2020 (or 2021 at the worst) AND keep JR until some team needs to overpay and pry him off our pine to fit into their "win now" window, we won and did well
* He's a true backup, then we over paid, but not so much that I'm going to scream for someone head (you can't be afraid to take chances for a franchise QB). If we figure this out this year, then we're ok given the next 2 drafts.
* He's a true backup and we take more than 1 year before we give him the hook, then we over paid and I'll want heads on a platter
* He well and truly sucks -- we win'ish. Sure the cost of the 2nd hurts, but we're rolling into what looks like 2 back to back drafts with a lot of QB talent.
 
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