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Rosen Pick Can Harm Fins

rent this space said:
Here is the actual quote:
"...A late 2 and 5 is compensation for a back-up QB..."
also, how can you trade for someone who isn't on "another team"?
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You said:

"you don't get a team's starter"

To me, that implies the guy "starting" for said team.

Whatever, not worth argueing.

I won't comment on it any further.
 
jazz015 said:
It is this illogical viewpoint that even if we win seven games with Rosen playing great football, we still need to draft Tua because he would have won double that according to fans. If Rosen plays at a high level then he has earned his chance. I am more interested in actual evaluations of the coming QB class instead of putting all our chips on one guy
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I agree win and loss record should not be the one and only indicator. I really doubt we're going to win 6 or 7 games with Rosen or any other QB this year. Our roster is just not very good right now. He needs to be evaluated on how he does and not so much for the record. Having said that I believe it was a good trade but it should not stop us from drafting a QB in the first round in 2020.
 
Mach2 said:
You said:

"you don't get a team's starter"

To me, that implies the guy "starting" for said team.

Whatever, not worth argueing.

I won't comment on it any further.
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again:
"...A late 2 and 5 is compensation for a back-up QB..."
how you get "the guy starting for said team" out of that I don't know
 
kingfin23 said:
Obviously this poster thinks Rosen ain't the solution but if Rosen goes 8-8 with this mediocre team 1 st year. He is a player. We wont need a QB. Only QB I want if Rosen fails is Trevor Lawrence. We have time til then to evaluate Rosen. I dont care what the circumstances is in 2021. If we have to give up 3 #1 picks to pick 1st in 2021 to get Trevor. You do it. That kid is going to be a Top 5 all time QB. Get it done.
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Yet tannehill is a bum for doing the same with this horrible roster of garbage?
 
Stupid headline. Trading for Rosen is the smartest thing that the Dolphins have done in the past 5 years. Low cost, low risk opportunity that we seized and if things turn into a disaster (unlikely), then we can still draft a QB next year.
 
Nappy Roots said:
That is just simply not true. Those were two separate deals. We could of picked at 62 this year and still had a 2nd next year. It was great maneuvering by Grier. I think its a good trade, like ive said many times. You take a shot on a talented young thrower for a 2nd and 5th. I am just saying, some people seem delusional on what we gave up and what the expectations are. If he is nothing more then a back up, that trade was a failure.
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You call us delusional. Instead, I'd say your nitpicking.
 
TrinidadDolfan said:
The main argument for acquiring Rosen is that he has a chance to be good, for a minimal price.

The flaw here is that most posters say “hey, if he bombs then we just go QB in 2020”. No downside, right?

Wrong.

It is VERY likely that he wins the starting job early on, and with a year already under his belt, he may grind us to 6 or 7 wins.

If that happens, most likely in my opinion, we will be out of the sweepstakes for a top QB in 2020. Trust me when I say that a QB needy team will not trade out of their top spot/s I’m 2020, regardless of the compensation offered.

So, a likely outcome is Fins in a draft purgatory position, again.

The only workaround is to start Fitzcake for the entirety (or most) of the season. And then let Rosen and Tua/Fromm etc battle for the starting position in 2020.
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If Rosen gets us 6-7 wins with this team around him it will be nothing short of phenomenal.
Two things:
1. It means that Rosen is the Qb we needed.
2. It means that we finally have a coaching staff and FO that knows what in the Hell they are doing and they will be able to build a team in the years to come.
 
Dsteve said:
Yet tannehill is a bum for doing the same with this horrible roster of garbage?
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Not all of RTs detractors, necessarily thought he was a bum.

I didn't think that by any stretch, but i did realize he had a couple flaws that limited him to being average, at best.

Had we surrounded him with all pro talent, he still would have been exposed against top tier teams in a playoff scenerio.
 
If anyone is curious what the 48th, 62nd and best picks in between typically look like.....


2018
48th pick - Uchenna Nwosu LB USC
62nd pick - Brian O'Neil OT Pitt
Too soon

2017
48th pick - Joe Mixon RB OU
62nd pick - JuJu Smith-Schuster
Too soon
Raekwon went 54th

2016
48th pick - Jason Spriggs OT Indiana
62nd pick - James Bradberry CB Samford
BPIB - Deion Jones (52nd), Cody Whitehair (56th)

2015
48th pick - Denzel Perryman LB Miami
62nd pick - Queinten Rollins CB Miami (OH)
BPIB - Ali Marpet (61st)
Jordan Phillips went 52nd

2014
48th pick - Timmy Jernigan DT FSU
62nd pick - Jimmy Garaoppolo
BPIB - Devante Adams (53rd), Allen Robinson (61st)
Jarvis Landry went 63rd

2013
48th pick - Le'Veon Bell RB MSU
62nd pick - Christine Michael RB Texas A&M
BPIB - Jamie Collins (52nd)
Jamar Taylor went 54th

2012
48th pick - Tavon Wilson S Illinois
62nd pick - Casey Hayward † CB Vanderbilt
BPIB - Zach Brown (52nd), Lavonte David (58th), Vinny Curry (59th), Kelechi Osemel (60th)
Johnathon Martin went 42nd.

2011
48th pick - Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State
62nd pick - Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State
BPIB - Rodney Hudson (55th). Brutal second round.

2010
48th pick - Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame
62nd pick - Brandon Spikes LB Florida
BPIB - Jason Worilds (52nd), Carlos Dunlap (54th), Sean Lee (55th), Golden Tate (60th)
Koa Misi went 40th.

2009
48th pick - Darcel McBath S Texas Tech
62nd pick - Tennessee Titans Sen'Derrick Marks DT Auburn
BPIB - Max Unger (49th), Lesean McCoy (53rd), Phil Loadholt (54th), Sean Smith (61st)

2008
48th pick - Fred Davis TE USC
62nd pick - Terrence Wheatley
BPIB - Desean Jackson (49th), Calais Campbell (50th), Martelles Bennett (61st)
 
"I am buying a new car but I think that the shiny new one next year just may be better so I am not going to see what this car can do for me over the next year so I can get a shot at the shiny new one."

"I am going out with the best girl in town right now but there is rumor about another one moving to town next year that may be prettier so I am holding out on making any kind of commitment."
 
Mach2 said:
So you don't subscibe to that "bird in hand" axiom?

Fair enough.
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Michigan Mike said:
"I am buying a new car but I think that the shiny new one next year just may be better so I am not going to see what this car can do for me over the next year so I can get a shot at the shiny new one."

"I am going out with the best girl in town right now but there is rumor about another one moving to town next year that may be prettier so I am holding out on making any kind of commitment."
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If you get a great deal on the car this year you buy it. Either you sale it next year for a good price and put that money toward your 2020 car or if things change you just make do with the 2019 car and pass on buying on next year.
 
gregorygrant83 said:
If you get a great deal on the car this year you buy it. Either you sale it next year for a good price and put that money toward your 2020 car or if things change you just make do with the 2019 car and pass on buying on next year.
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Or you buy a slightly used very low mileage 2019 performance car for 50¢ on the dollar since it depreciated after being driven off the lot and love driving it more than any car in the last 15 years

- so considering the acceptable if not heady performance and the price it would cost to replace it, you just drive it til you grow tired of it.
 
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