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Letter To Dolphin Fans From Arizona Fan.

Reading and hearing a lot of good things. Let's hope this trade works out. Really want to see him as the starter week 1 than Cakeman.
 
Good read, but he made some claims about Rosen's skills that don't mesh with the tape. For instance, leading his receivers. He threw into traffic and under quite often in many games last year. Seemingly more than the "leading" type passes. Not knocking him, he was my favorite QB in last year's draft and I'm elated we have him, but his game does have weaknesses, besides heroism. He was a rookie on a **** team, so that can be expected, I just hope we can give him a better situation so he can excel.
 
I was trying to figure out how the guy got to be a lifelong Cardinals fan. He's only 5 years older than myself. The Cardinals were lousy during the '60s, when his allegiance likely formed. He mentioned living near Foxboro now but I assumed he started out in St. Louis or thereabouts. Yet he says he's a Boston College graduate.

Strange set of allegiances. Along with Boston College he roots for the Arizona Cardinals, Oakland A's and Atlanta Hawks. Wow. That won't be shared by many. Maybe he delayed isolating his teams until later, like early '70s when he would have been maybe 15-16 years old or thereabouts. There was a stretch when all three of those pro teams were kind of exciting...the Cardinals with Jim Hart and Terry Metcalf, the A's with a string of championships and lots of high profile charismatic players, and the Hawks drafting the legendary Pete Maravich. I'm not sure younger fans realize how much Pete Maravich transcended basketball in those days. Every day in school you'd hear Maravich's name during gym class basketball, when somebody attempted a fancy shot. Lots of people became Hawks fans simply because of Pistol Pete.

Who knows? I guess I'm always trying to figure something out.
 
Not going to lie, i was already very excited in getting Rosen, and the start of pre-season because of it, but this very well written letter (Of course he's an English teacher), has me even more excited, and hoping what they do with the line better work sooner rather then later.
 
A very good read. My (2) Rosen Jersey's can't get here fast enough. Anybody looking to buy a Tannehill jersey or (2)....:)
 
Hello Dolphins Fans.

I am a Cardinals Fan and was just curious how Rosen is being accepted in Dolphin Waters.
Here is my opinion on what I think of Rosen. And by the way, I wanted us to keep him.

Any rookie QB is like a Salmon trying to swim upstream in his first season. Well with Rosen, he was a Salmon trying to swim up Niagra Falls. And this is why I say this:

Coaching
First, our head coach was in his first year as a head coach. He had a defensive background and not an offensive background.

Second, our Offensive Coordinator was fired mid season. Yes, that is how bad he was.

Third, our OC replacement was our QB Coach. This was his first foray as an OC. Rookie QB, Rookie HC, Rookie OC? Did that have something to do with Rosens poor performance last season? I would say it played a part in his game.

Oline
When Rosen eventually took over for Bradford, I think our original starting Oline was still in tact. By seasons end though, our Oline consisted of mostly 2nd and 3rd stringers. Keep in mind, our first string Oline was not good to begin with.

The Oline allowed Rosen to get sacked 45 times. That does not include any QB Hurries or Pressures. And don't QB Hurries and Pressures usually outnumber sacks? Just Sayin.

The bottom line is that our Oline was injury plagued for most of the season.

Wide Receivers
Our primary receivers were Larry Fitzgerald and Christian Kirk. Keep in mind that Christian Kirk was a rookie last season. Our remaining WR's were just okay, nothing to brag about. Well, once Kirk got injured, that left us with Fitzgerald as our best WR. Hmm...do you think that our opponents could scheme against Fitzgerald by double or triple coverage? You are probably asking yourself, well what about the other WR's? I was just going to get to them.

Those other WR's were not able to create seperation. They also dropped quite a few passes that were in there hands. When a WR drops a ball that is right on the money, it does affect the QB stats. Forget about the stats. A dropped ball can mean not first down to keep the chains moving. This is stuff you will not see in highlight films.

Running Backs
Our RB David Johnson did not have a great season. So many times the OC that was fired kept sending him right up the middle of the defense. First of all, our Oline was not good enough to open holes up the middle. Many times, an up the middle run was called not once but twice in a row for no gain or for a loss. So, when you have to leave it up to Rosen to get 10 yards for a first, I would say that it created pressure for him as a Rookie.

If you don't have a run game, then you more than likely won't be able to execute play action successfully. Rosen had 393 pass attempts last season. Did you know that the top 15 QB's last season had more than 500 passing attempts? What does that tell you? Perhaps with more attempts or successful rushing attempts, Rosen would have gained more experience and become better last season.

Rosen
I have seen some comments on this board about his attitude. When we first drafted Rosen, the same thing happened on our message board. If you were to check our board, you will see that there are zero threads about his attitude. You will not have a problem with that.

He got beat up pretty bad last season. But yet, did not get injured. With a mediocre Oline, he should hold up well against injury.

Did he throw some bad passes? Yes he did. How many rookie QB's throw bad passes? But can he be accurate? Yes, very accurate.

I think he will be a top 10 QB if he has the support from his Oline, WR's, Run Game and Coaching.
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That is my opinion on why Rosen had a bad Rookie season. Just thought I would give you guys food for thought.

Good luck next season Dolphin Fans.
By the way, my son has been a Dolphins Fan for many years. He was pretty excited to get Rosen. I wonder if he posts on here, I will have to ask him.
 
I've never understood why people are so quick to write off quarterbacks after their rookie seasons. Literally almost every great quarterback that has ever played the game looked like a fish out of water as rookies. With very, very few exceptions. Many of them thrown into bad situations that were already bad. That's why they ended up there to begin with.

By the same token, you can't start preparing the gold jacket for these guys after their rookie seasons either. I think Baker Mayfield's bust is already half made in Canton. All it lacks is the beard and an obscene gesture.

It's incredible what a change of circumstances - along with improved coaching and a year of experience - often does for young quarterbacks. The odds literally favor this type of path. Fans act like they've never watched football before when deciding the fate of these young quarterbacks after one season.

Not every quarterback is fortunate enough to land in a situation with an Andy Reid. Or have playoff caliber teams trade up for you and sit you for a year instead of landing in an awful situation with incompetent coaching and be thrown to the wolves.
 
Nice catch. Great letter, solid analysis, and a very positive perspective on Rosen. While I'm not sure things are as rosy as the picture painted in this letter, I do hope the author is correct. He makes a lot of great points … but it's all about the person, not the player. If the person can dedicate himself to football and the team, then he can succeed, and this offense does fit him almost perfectly.

But if everyone were sold on him as a person, he would have gone for multiple 1st rounders … so Josh has some reputation rebuilding to do, and it starts with becoming the first one in and last one out. It continues with putting your teammates in positions to succeed and not laying blame as they learn. It comes from figuring out how to be a leader, not just a player. Fingers crossed Josh makes those strides.
 
Digital said:
Nice catch. Great letter, solid analysis, and a very positive perspective on Rosen. While I'm not sure things are as rosy as the picture painted in this letter, I do hope the author is correct. He makes a lot of great points … but it's all about the person, not the player. If the person can dedicate himself to football and the team, then he can succeed, and this offense does fit him almost perfectly.

But if everyone were sold on him as a person, he would have gone for multiple 1st rounders … so Josh has some reputation rebuilding to do, and it starts with becoming the first one in and last one out. It continues with putting your teammates in positions to succeed and not laying blame as they learn. It comes from figuring out how to be a leader, not just a player. Fingers crossed Josh makes those strides.
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I think this is absolutely correct. And it's the one worry I've always had with Rosen. Not his ability. Sometimes it just benefits you not to be the smartest person in the room. But as I've already said, this is the one thing he can control. Unlike the league's perceived value of him.

You can't let the league determine what your value is. The league generally messes up on situations like this - weighing Rosen's rookie year in the NFL in a horrible situation against kids coming out of college that haven't been put in that situation yet. You're not comparing apples to apples.

It's why only two teams were interested in Drew Brees when he was a free agent after 5 years in San Diego - unless the 30 other teams already had Hall of Fame quarterbacks.

The NFL tries to place value on you for what you're likely to do in the future. Not what you've already done in the past. Often, they're just wrong. But it's up to Josh Rosen to prove they were wrong. Talking about it ain't gonna do it. But it can be done.
 
TedSlimmJr said:
I think this is absolutely correct. And it's the one worry I've always had with Rosen. Not his ability. Sometimes it just benefits you not to be the smartest person in the room. But as I've already said, this is the one thing he can control. Unlike the league's perceived value of him.

You can't let the league determine what your value is. The league generally messes up on situations like this - weighing Rosen's rookie year in the NFL in a horrible situation against kids coming out of college that haven't been put in that situation yet. You're not comparing apples to apples.

It's why only two teams were interested in Drew Brees when he was a free agent after 5 years in San Diego - unless the 30 other teams already had Hall of Fame quarterbacks.

The NFL tries to place value on you for what you're likely to do in the future. Not what you've already done in the past. Often, they're just wrong. But it's up to Josh Rosen to prove they were wrong. Talking about it ain't gonna do it. But it can be done.
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Great points as always Slimm. Brees is the perfect example of an undervalued guy going to the perfect system and coach with Sean Payton in New Orleans. But, the injury was also part of the reason Brees was not as highly valued. Brees was damaged goods from the injury, while Rosen is damaged goods from the personality/reputation perspective … hopefully this heals. The Chargers having Rivers is very similar to the Cardinals knowing they were drafting Murray, so it is a bit of a fire-sale with few bidders. We can only hope that the Flores/O'Shea/Rosen synergy brings out the best in Josh Rosen the way the Payton/Brees synergy brought out the best in Drew Brees. That would exceed my wildest dreams … let's hope it does.
 
Digital said:
But if everyone were sold on him as a person, he would have gone for multiple 1st rounders
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Now I see why I avoid the offseason around here. The adjustments are mind boggling. Even if we want to believe that his personality traits are dedication, etc. are what he needs to work on, there is nothing in his current resume that prices Josh Rosen anywhere near multiple first round picks. He was never a sure-fire top pick in the draft prospect like Manning or Luck or now Tua. He was always one of many from the 2018 class.

Last night I see someone proposing that the Patriots would have won the Super Bowl basically half the time with Rodgers or Manning. Tonight Josh Rosen is worth multiples first rounders, instead of a late second round pick. Doesn't it ever get tiresome of taking everything to the extreme and beyond?
 
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