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Rosen Pick Can Harm Fins

Yet tannehill is a bum for doing the same with this horrible roster of garbage?
We already new T was average. You'll know if things ain't Rosens fault. Not hard to see. Like Manning throwing over 20 picks. You knew he was going to be great.
 
Personally, I'm confused as to why all of a sudden we have the worst team in the NFL.

We were in the same boat last year...zooming for 3-4 wins, worst in the NFL, etc...we won 7 games with Ryan Tannehill and Brock ****ing Osweiler....OH and a HISTORICALLY bad defense.

We dump Quinn and Wake, let our average RT go, get our WRs back, and I'm supposed to believe that all of a sudden winning 6 games is some sort of a miracle? Not even mentioning the addition of a defensive stud calling the shots.

I just feel a disconnect here. We have holes, sure, but I didn't expect Fitzpatrick to get us a #1 overall pick and I sure as hell think Rosen can win as many games if not more than Fitzpatrick.
 
I just hate that we gave up a second, albeit a very late second for him. We were bidding against ourselves for him.

I do think we are set up good next year to take a QB high if we want to. And I do want to unless Rosen really shows me that he can be a top franchise guy.

We have a ton of picks next year and if you go down the list of teams, most teams either have a franchise guy already or a young guy they think can be a franchise guy. Our talent is pretty bad so I think something like 5 wins is likely. We may not get Tua but between our record and all the picks we can trade to move up, we will have a shot at Herbert or Love or Fromm.
 
That is a terrible idea...

If Rosen is good enough to get us to 7 wins while Fitzpatrick gets us #1, then probably tells us we don't need to take a QB, Rosen must be pretty good.

Nonsense

That is all.

Thread should have been locked after these two posts.... Nothing left to discuss.
 
Don’t think you need a top pick for a great qb next year. Tua/Fromm/Herbert all around the same level of prospect. Tua just overhyped due to where he plays.
 
If anyone is curious what the 48th, 62nd and best picks in between typically look like.....


2018
48th pick - Uchenna Nwosu LB USC
62nd pick - Brian O'Neil OT Pitt
Too soon

2017
48th pick - Joe Mixon RB OU
62nd pick - JuJu Smith-Schuster
Too soon
Raekwon went 54th

2016
48th pick - Jason Spriggs OT Indiana
62nd pick - James Bradberry CB Samford
BPIB - Deion Jones (52nd), Cody Whitehair (56th)

2015
48th pick - Denzel Perryman LB Miami
62nd pick - Queinten Rollins CB Miami (OH)
BPIB - Ali Marpet (61st)
Jordan Phillips went 52nd

2014
48th pick - Timmy Jernigan DT FSU
62nd pick - Jimmy Garaoppolo
BPIB - Devante Adams (53rd), Allen Robinson (61st)
Jarvis Landry went 63rd

2013
48th pick - Le'Veon Bell RB MSU
62nd pick - Christine Michael RB Texas A&M
BPIB - Jamie Collins (52nd)
Jamar Taylor went 54th

2012
48th pick - Tavon Wilson S Illinois
62nd pick - Casey HaywardCB Vanderbilt
BPIB - Zach Brown (52nd), Lavonte David (58th), Vinny Curry (59th), Kelechi Osemel (60th)
Johnathon Martin went 42nd.

2011
48th pick - Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State
62nd pick - Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State
BPIB - Rodney Hudson (55th). Brutal second round.

2010
48th pick - Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame
62nd pick - Brandon Spikes LB Florida
BPIB - Jason Worilds (52nd), Carlos Dunlap (54th), Sean Lee (55th), Golden Tate (60th)
Koa Misi went 40th.

2009
48th pick - Darcel McBath S Texas Tech
62nd pick - Tennessee Titans Sen'Derrick Marks DT Auburn
BPIB - Max Unger (49th), Lesean McCoy (53rd), Phil Loadholt (54th), Sean Smith (61st)

2008
48th pick - Fred Davis TE USC
62nd pick - Terrence Wheatley
BPIB - Desean Jackson (49th), Calais Campbell (50th), Martelles Bennett (61st)



Why is it too soon to name the best player drafted between 48-62 in the 2018 draft? It’s pretty easy, the Bengals got him at 54, it was FS Jessie Bates III
 
The main argument for acquiring Rosen is that he has a chance to be good, for a minimal price.

The flaw here is that most posters say “hey, if he bombs then we just go QB in 2020”. No downside, right?

Wrong.

It is VERY likely that he wins the starting job early on, and with a year already under his belt, he may grind us to 6 or 7 wins.

If that happens, most likely in my opinion, we will be out of the sweepstakes for a top QB in 2020. Trust me when I say that a QB needy team will not trade out of their top spot/s I’m 2020, regardless of the compensation offered.

So, a likely outcome is Fins in a draft purgatory position, again.

The only workaround is to start Fitzcake for the entirety (or most) of the season. And then let Rosen and Tua/Fromm etc battle for the starting position in 2020.

Your making the huge assumption that Rosen isn’t better than the 2020 unknowns.

Yeah I get many think Tua is a Lock... but we are no lock to get him with or without Rosen.

What makes you think Fromm or Herbert are better? I would submit Rosen has a better arm!

Put a decent O-line out there... maybe we have our franchise QB.
 
If a QB wins 6-7 games with this roster there is reason for optimism.

And I'd much rather Rosen show us something than us having to bring in another young QB

Tannehill & Brock won 7 games with this roster (basically) and a defense that gave up 27 points per game.
 
What if Tua turns out to not adjust to NFL defenses and is just average at the pro level?

There are percentages toward that outcome, but not particularly high. Great young quarterbacks come into the league with regularity, and most often they are the ones who have been rated very highly throughout their lives and drafted high by the NFL.

Anyway, this thread is excellent reminder why I no longer like to argue back and forth. Disputes like that quickly fill up a page or two amidst high emotion...neither side looks good at all...and it ends up distracting everybody else.

2 AM in a sportsbook is where I had those type of arguments for years and years. We knew each other. Then a dollar breakfast special at the Barbary Coast coffee shop, or wherever.
 
Personally, I'm confused as to why all of a sudden we have the worst team in the NFL.

We were in the same boat last year...zooming for 3-4 wins, worst in the NFL, etc...we won 7 games with Ryan Tannehill and Brock ****ing Osweiler....OH and a HISTORICALLY bad defense.

We dump Quinn and Wake, let our average RT go, get our WRs back, and I'm supposed to believe that all of a sudden winning 6 games is some sort of a miracle? Not even mentioning the addition of a defensive stud calling the shots.

I just feel a disconnect here. We have holes, sure, but I didn't expect Fitzpatrick to get us a #1 overall pick and I sure as hell think Rosen can win as many games if not more than Fitzpatrick.
I believe we won more games than we should have in 2018. We were 3rd worst in point differential behind Arizona and Oakland and that’s a better indicator of team performance than its record.

Having said that, I also believe that not the roster but the coaching staff was that bad. If this new staff is any good, we won’t be at the bottom this year, neither in wins nor in point differential.
 
It is VERY likely that he wins the starting job early on, and with a year already under his belt, he may grind us to 6 or 7 wins.

If that happens, most likely in my opinion, we will be out of the sweepstakes for a top QB in 2020. Trust me when I say that a QB needy team will not trade out of their top spot/s I’m 2020, regardless of the compensation offered.

So, a likely outcome is Fins in a draft purgatory position, again.

And? We went through all this when starting Fitzpatrick was a mistake because apparently he would guarantee 6/7 wins, now we need to start him because Rosen will guarantee 6/7 wins?

Winning 6/7 games is not necessarily a problem. Repeatedly winning 6/7 games with no identity, no plan for the future and relying on FA misses to paper over cracks is a problem. That's where we were. Winning 6/7 games while discovering that you have a franchise QB, that your new coaching team is actually pretty good and getting a decent understanding of what you want to do with Drake, Parker and Gesicki in their critical year at the same time as clearing bad contracts and creating a load of cap space is not a problem. That's a foundation to build on.

Get over the obsession with Tua. If we win 6/7 games but Rosen isn't for us then we should be happy that we clearly have a decent coaching team/FA for a change and we use the draft capital we have been accumulating to move into position for a QB, if noit Tua then Herbert, Fromm or AN Other. The fact the QB class is so loaded next year allows us to take this approach, it's not a coincidence.

Exactly the same arguments as when people said signing Fitzpatrick was a mistake as we should be starting Falk or Rudock 'to see what they got' and lose as many games as it takes to get the #1 pick. This has never been an exercise is just aiming for Tua.
 
The main argument for acquiring Rosen is that he has a chance to be good, for a minimal price.

The flaw here is that most posters say “hey, if he bombs then we just go QB in 2020”. No downside, right?

Wrong.

It is VERY likely that he wins the starting job early on, and with a year already under his belt, he may grind us to 6 or 7 wins.

If that happens, most likely in my opinion, we will be out of the sweepstakes for a top QB in 2020. Trust me when I say that a QB needy team will not trade out of their top spot/s I’m 2020, regardless of the compensation offered.

So, a likely outcome is Fins in a draft purgatory position, again.

The only workaround is to start Fitzcake for the entirety (or most) of the season. And then let Rosen and Tua/Fromm etc battle for the starting position in 2020.

We didn't trade for Rosen to sit on the bench or be a cheap backup. We traded for him because they felt he could become "the guy". If he gets us to half a dozen wins and plays well that is good news. The fact that prevents us from a top pick is irrelevant because we wouldn't be drafting a quarterback if Rosen plays well and shows franchise quarterback ability. The only time half a dozen wins would be a problem is in the scenario that Fitzpatrick starts and gets us to that win count because Rosen has played poorly or suffered a season ending injury. At that point we would probably want to draft a quarterback but have hurt our chances of doing that because as you rightly say QB needy teams won't trade out of that spot (eg Bucs and Titans going Winston and Mariota). But at the end of the day we traded for Rosen to be the guy, and if he does well we won't be drafting a quarterback high next year, so winning those games is actually a good thing because it proves trading for Rosen was a good idea.
 
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