Rosen will get his shot but he needs to make the most of this opportunity because there is nothing to stop them from investing high in a 2020 QB.
BingoAs you mention here, there will be more than one good QB available. You won't have to get to #1
Bingo yet again - he will only get one season to be the uncontested oneRosen will get his shot but he needs to make the most of this opportunity because there is nothing to stop them from investing high in a 2020 QB.
Personally, I'm confused as to why all of a sudden we have the worst team in the NFL.
We were in the same boat last year...zooming for 3-4 wins, worst in the NFL, etc...we won 7 games with Ryan Tannehill and Brock ****ing Osweiler....OH and a HISTORICALLY bad defense.
We dump Quinn and Wake, let our average RT go, get our WRs back, and I'm supposed to believe that all of a sudden winning 6 games is some sort of a miracle? Not even mentioning the addition of a defensive stud calling the shots.
I just feel a disconnect here. We have holes, sure, but I didn't expect Fitzpatrick to get us a #1 overall pick and I sure as hell think Rosen can win as many games if not more than Fitzpatrick.
Offensively minus the right tackle, who was not awful.
I believe we won more games than we should have in 2018. We were 3rd worst in point differential behind Arizona and Oakland and that’s a better indicator of team performance than its record.
Having said that, I also believe that not the roster but the coaching staff was that bad. If this new staff is any good, we won’t be at the bottom this year, neither in wins nor in point differential.
Simply because we lost players off our roster and didn’t replace them (yet) and may not strive too - adding AAFL players is not dipping into the first wave of free agency
I kno I kno I have been told that the season hasn’t started and just wait for the draft - well the draft is over and we will have trouble getting to the QBS and more importantly protecting our new asset Rosen
DEs we lost two starters do not fall off trees - getting to the QB is not about defensive scheme just ask the Jets and Raiders how scheming to get to the Qb worked last year
The FO is clearly allowing the draft to come to them instead of chasing the dream of POs
Should Rosen ball they will let the draft come to them
Should Rosen not ball the draft will already have come to them
And of our wins which were boss where we ran the opponent into the ground on both sides of ball and which games could have gone either way? Because - every team believes they improved from last yearWe lost a decent RT and 2 defensive ends. Not buying some major drop off.
Personally, I'm confused as to why all of a sudden we have the worst team in the NFL.
We were in the same boat last year...zooming for 3-4 wins, worst in the NFL, etc...we won 7 games with Ryan Tannehill and Brock ****ing Osweiler....OH and a HISTORICALLY bad defense.
We dump Quinn and Wake, let our average RT go, get our WRs back, and I'm supposed to believe that all of a sudden winning 6 games is some sort of a miracle? Not even mentioning the addition of a defensive stud calling the shots.
I just feel a disconnect here. We have holes, sure, but I didn't expect Fitzpatrick to get us a #1 overall pick and I sure as hell think Rosen can win as many games if not more than Fitzpatrick.
Disagree. Major difference is that Flores and O'Shea have seen Brady in games and practice for quite some time and have a "Gold Standard" on which to assess Rosen. I've said all along, I'm fine with either decision they end up making because it will be as "informed" as any!I didn't read the 8 pages of comments inbetween, but I have to agree w the original poster on this one. If Rosen looks decent this season and we decide to pass on a top QB next year (or play ourselves out of the top 10) it could be disastrous long term.
My problem w the move is that our roster and oline are garbage so it will be hard to evaluate him after only 1 yr. It will be easy to make the same excuses we did w tannehill...that "once we get a good line" in front of him he will be elite. 7 yrs later this is where we are at. We could very easily end up in that same mediocre range for the next decade if we put all our eggs in the Rosen basket after this season.
The main argument for acquiring Rosen is that he has a chance to be good, for a minimal price.
The flaw here is that most posters say “hey, if he bombs then we just go QB in 2020”. No downside, right?
Wrong.
It is VERY likely that he wins the starting job early on, and with a year already under his belt, he may grind us to 6 or 7 wins.
If that happens, most likely in my opinion, we will be out of the sweepstakes for a top QB in 2020. Trust me when I say that a QB needy team will not trade out of their top spot/s I’m 2020, regardless of the compensation offered.
So, a likely outcome is Fins in a draft purgatory position, again.
The only workaround is to start Fitzcake for the entirety (or most) of the season. And then let Rosen and Tua/Fromm etc battle for the starting position in 2020.
Agreed on that - we also lost a few of our weapons. So, it's TBD as to how badly our offensive line will perform as a unit vs. last year.
This I 100% agree with. I think our defense will greatly outperform last years.
There are always risks associated with every move made by a NFL front office including the one you mention. I prefer a front office that swings and misses to one that waits another year to take a swing. The cost paid for the swing this year with Rosen is reasonable, so I am all in.
Disagree. Major difference is that Flores and O'Shea have seen Brady in games and practice for quite some time and have a "Gold Standard" on which to assess Rosen. I've said all along, I'm fine with either decision they end up making because it will be as "informed" as any!