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Why Josh Rosen Has The Making Of A Franchise Qb

Hard to imagine, other than an injury to Rosen, a situation Flores doesn't play Rosen to see what has next year before 2020 draft with legitimate franchise potential QBs in it.
I could see him beating out Fitz at some point in the season, or Fitzpatrick playing himself out of a job with multiple 3+ interception games. Hey, who knows, maybe Rosen beats him out in TC. I don't think that's very realistic, though.
 
Up to this point I would say Rosen has better pocket presence and a more natural look as a passer to me (less robotic). But Tannehill made less mistakes than Rosen has been prone to making. I would love to see a happy medium of Rosen staying aggressive at times, but not turning the ball over.
 
t-hill only had 1 year experience at starting QB, and was very raw coming in. He checked all the physical boxes but needed the game to be simplified to much. He is the cautionary tale of "we can fix him because he has all the measurables" narrative scouts run with.

It went far beyond that. Ryan Tannehill was shocked when he actually won something of consequence. It was never part of his expectation. That's why it was so ill advised to draft him that high. He played at a high school with a very mediocre football history. Tannehill bounced around from position to position there. Texas A&M was favored in all but one game when Tannehill was a senior. But Tannehill never seemed to view it that way. He blew one second half lead after another and merely jogged off the field as it happened, en route to a 7-6 season. When we upset the Patriots at home near the end of his second season I immediately emphasized that Tannehill's reaction was incredibly troubling. He was running around the field in disbelief, as if to say, "I can't believe this is happening to ME!" I believe I used almost exactly those words at the time.

Jeff Ireland wouldn't have a clue about anything like that. I doubt he looked at Tannehill's high school record or star rating at all. He applied tunnel vision priority to stuff like mechanics and arm strength and accuracy. Not to discount those but with premier picks you need the entire package. IMO, that means always elite in relation to his peers. Instead, Tannehill was a lifelong Crowd player yet somehow we wasted 7 years pretending he would turn into something he had never been, and never really aspired to.

With Josh Rosen, at least there is a chance. As a junior in high school he led Bosco to an undefeated season including a famous upset of legendary De La Salle in the title game. I realize California high school football is not well known on sites like this, as opposed to somewhere like a USC board where this would read as cliche. De La Salle had won several state titles in a row and had a ridiculous winning streak entering that game. I'm not going to look it up but I know it had been something like 4 or 5 years since they lost a game to a California school.

Add that type of accomplishment to 5-star status and 10th pick status, this was more than a worthwhile investment. You want quarterbacks to have an attitude, such as Rosen displayed upon being picked, saying he would win 4 Super Bowls, or whatever it was.

I hope we aren't stupid enough to reign in his personality. With another horse analogy that's like strangling a pure frontrunner while desperately trying to teach him to rate, Far more wasted careers than success stories with that tactic.
 
It went far beyond that. Ryan Tannehill was shocked when he actually won something of consequence. It was never part of his expectation. That's why it was so ill advised to draft him that high. He played at a high school with a very mediocre football history. Tannehill bounced around from position to position there. Texas A&M was favored in all but one game when Tannehill was a senior. But Tannehill never seemed to view it that way. He blew one second half lead after another and merely jogged off the field as it happened, en route to a 7-6 season. When we upset the Patriots at home near the end of his second season I immediately emphasized that Tannehill's reaction was incredibly troubling. He was running around the field in disbelief, as if to say, "I can't believe this is happening to ME!" I believe I used almost exactly those words at the time.

Jeff Ireland wouldn't have a clue about anything like that. I doubt he looked at Tannehill's high school record or star rating at all. He applied tunnel vision priority to stuff like mechanics and arm strength and accuracy. Not to discount those but with premier picks you need the entire package. IMO, that means always elite in relation to his peers. Instead, Tannehill was a lifelong Crowd player yet somehow we wasted 7 years pretending he would turn into something he had never been, and never really aspired to.

With Josh Rosen, at least there is a chance. As a junior in high school he led Bosco to an undefeated season including a famous upset of legendary De La Salle in the title game. I realize California high school football is not well known on sites like this, as opposed to somewhere like a USC board where this would read as cliche. De La Salle had won several state titles in a row and had a ridiculous winning streak entering that game. I'm not going to look it up but I know it had been something like 4 or 5 years since they lost a game to a California school.

Add that type of accomplishment to 5-star status and 10th pick status, this was more than a worthwhile investment. You want quarterbacks to have an attitude, such as Rosen displayed upon being picked, saying he would win 4 Super Bowls, or whatever it was.

I hope we aren't stupid enough to reign in his personality. With another horse analogy that's like strangling a pure frontrunner while desperately trying to teach him to rate, Far more wasted careers than success stories with that tactic.


If he plays winning football, nothing else matters.

Just need to pump the breaks is all. This place is literally sounding like it did when Tannehill was drafted, or Pat White.
 
I think we should start whoever can play the game the best the entire year. If we need to sit Rosen because Fitz is that good. That is the best case scenario. We found a QB that can take the wheel while we groom a couple QBs behind him. You go all in on Trevor Lawrence and let him battle Fitz and Rosen to lead the team.
 
Let not forget, with all of Tannehill's short comings, he was still the best QB since Marino.

I've liked just about everything I've read about Rosen since coming to Miami. However, I'm not ready to anoint him to anything more than a good QB battle this fall. His age and metrics are a big plus, but he needs to pass the eye test. Honestly, I didn't watch a single game of his last year with Cardinals. I hope he lives up to this thread's positive expectations. I am eager to see him in live action. Can't wait.
 
Let not forget, with all of Tannehill's short comings, he was still the best QB since Marino.

I've liked just about everything I've read about Rosen since coming to Miami. However, I'm not ready to anoint him to anything more than a good QB battle this fall. His age and metrics are a big plus, but he needs to pass the eye test. Honestly, I didn't watch a single game of his last year with Cardinals. I hope he lives up to this thread's positive expectations. I am eager to see him in live action. Can't wait.
Fiedler was better than Tannehill. So was Chad Pennington.
 
I admit, I've been scarred by Tannehill. Although some will disagree, he had the physical talent and it showed sporadically. What he DIDN'T appear to have was the intellect to play the game. Now, that's not to say he isn't an intelligent guy, but there's a special talent to read Ds and make adjustments on the fly. Tannehill didn't appear to have that.

Which gets me to, I know longer care much for physical ability or his discipline. I want to see him excel pre-snap and in-play. I agree, he was considered a top candidate and he did have the heavy weight of the Cards O, but, . . . so were Bortles and Trubisky. I'm cautiously optimistic, but, as everyone knows, game 16 will tell the tale.

Tannehill never threw a ton of interceptions, so I think he could read defenses well enough. He just lacks that sixth sense to know what to do in the pocket. The guy played wide receiver at Texas A&M, but the only time he would ever pick up major yardage running was if it was a designed play of some sort or a completely busted coverage by the D. I honestly don’t think there’s a more frustrating QB you could ever root for.
 
It went far beyond that. Ryan Tannehill was shocked when he actually won something of consequence. It was never part of his expectation. That's why it was so ill advised to draft him that high. He played at a high school with a very mediocre football history. Tannehill bounced around from position to position there. Texas A&M was favored in all but one game when Tannehill was a senior. But Tannehill never seemed to view it that way. He blew one second half lead after another and merely jogged off the field as it happened, en route to a 7-6 season. When we upset the Patriots at home near the end of his second season I immediately emphasized that Tannehill's reaction was incredibly troubling. He was running around the field in disbelief, as if to say, "I can't believe this is happening to ME!" I believe I used almost exactly those words at the time.

Jeff Ireland wouldn't have a clue about anything like that. I doubt he looked at Tannehill's high school record or star rating at all. He applied tunnel vision priority to stuff like mechanics and arm strength and accuracy. Not to discount those but with premier picks you need the entire package. IMO, that means always elite in relation to his peers. Instead, Tannehill was a lifelong Crowd player yet somehow we wasted 7 years pretending he would turn into something he had never been, and never really aspired to.

With Josh Rosen, at least there is a chance. As a junior in high school he led Bosco to an undefeated season including a famous upset of legendary De La Salle in the title game. I realize California high school football is not well known on sites like this, as opposed to somewhere like a USC board where this would read as cliche. De La Salle had won several state titles in a row and had a ridiculous winning streak entering that game. I'm not going to look it up but I know it had been something like 4 or 5 years since they lost a game to a California school.

Add that type of accomplishment to 5-star status and 10th pick status, this was more than a worthwhile investment. You want quarterbacks to have an attitude, such as Rosen displayed upon being picked, saying he would win 4 Super Bowls, or whatever it was.

I hope we aren't stupid enough to reign in his personality. With another horse analogy that's like strangling a pure frontrunner while desperately trying to teach him to rate, Far more wasted careers than success stories with that tactic.
No argument about his college days. I noticed early on during the draft process that his stats against tough competition were concerning. Dude never elevated his team to a high level. That is why I have Daniel Jones the same criticism, it was almost a mirror image of the two. The QB right now is a very "gamer" position. You are either good to go day 1 or you need to be on the bench. That is more due to the state of coaching then the idea there are not enough qbs.

Josh Rosen has had a tough draw for sure. We will find out whether or not he was the problem at UCLA. I theorize that Jim Mora was trying to cover up his poor resume by taking shots at a guy he had faith in for four years.
 
I only know what I've read about Rosen, but i continue to hear about pocket presence, movement within the pocket, etc. Music to my ears - hope he lives up to that assessment. That alone could make a nice difference for the oline, playing in front of someone that can work with less than perfect blocking every snap.
 
I only know what I've read about Rosen, but i continue to hear about pocket presence, movement within the pocket, etc. Music to my ears - hope he lives up to that assessment. That alone could make a nice difference for the oline, playing in front of someone that can work with less than perfect blocking every snap.

His pocket presence was so good he was only sacked 45 times his rookie season! He reads defenses so much better than Tannehill that he threw only 14 interceptions to his 11 touchdowns!

Come on guys! I know there are a lot of reasons to “write off” Rosen’s rookie year for some of you, but the analysis by fans is just ridiculous, as it is 180 degrees opposite of his results on the field. In truth, Tannehill was brought into Miami with the same types of issues Rosen had in AZ, and Tannehill had even less time as a starter in college. People wrote Tannehill off because of his WR roots in college and are elevating Rosen for his college experience.

Truth is, they are essentially the same QB stats wise their rookie year with Tannehill having 1 more touchdown, 1 less interception and 10 fewer sacks. Rosen’s completion percentage was higher, but Tannehill threw for more yards. Reality is, for now at least, Rosen=Tannehill., with Tannehill actually having the edge in some areas.

I know we all want Rosen to succeed, but he has a lot to prove before the word franchise should ever be uttered.
 
Tannehill never had more than an outside chance to be elite. Rosen has all the tools to be great. The question is will he be? I think the Miami coaching will really help this kid reach his potential. The Dolphins needed Rosen badly and Rosen needed the Dolphins just as badly. I see plenty of grinding, plenty of teaching, plenty of reps and we'll bring him along slowly. I totally agree that he has to earn his swagger back, here's hoping he does. That would be a fantastic outcome. Then we roar into 2020 with major cash, major picks and our QB already in the fold. Then we could devote all assets to building a team that competes for championships every year!! That's the goal, ask Pat Riley!! He's got a ton of rings.
 
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